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Who do you think will win the Alaska Byelection?

Sarah Palin
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58%
Nich Begich III
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32%
Mary Sattler Peltola
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Total votes : 65

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Postby The United Front Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:09 pm

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1. It doesn't matter. If a Democrat answers anything besides "Only biological women can get pregnant" they will get torn apart at the polls.


No they won't. It's only an issue religious types whose fefes are hurt by knowing they exist.

2. What are the more important issues? More things the Dems have failed on?

Gas? Inflation? The supply chain? Violent crime? School material?


If you think the dems are only to blame for those; you are deluding yourself at best.

Jobs and inflation are on everybody's minds. How to deal with the great resignation is also puzzling people. This is a huge setback for the cons and free market types who have been trying to get people thinking their only reward is having a job.

Even then. LGBTQ+ people existing are only issues for religious conservatives. The rest are concerned about inflation and job outlooks.

I think it was Virginia that had that special election already for governor and had the red wave, we are already seeing what issues people care about.

1 million Democrats have swapped parties this year.


You need a source for the democrats claim.


You'll get blindsided thinking that way. We've already had some elections testing the waters that show the Dems are getting destroyed, and my issues listed are why. The world overall is religious, the US is no exception, saying only the "religious" care about biology is not only not true, but also not an excuse, as religious folks are the majority.

You really didn't know a party swap of 1 million happened? These numbers are public.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto ... s-85766938
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:09 pm

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Kannap wrote:
Shouldn't be

Likely because they are state employees. Federal employees are also prohibited from striking

Is that back to that Reagan thing? Ah nevermind, I should use google.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The United Front Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:13 pm

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The United Front Empire wrote:
What do you want a source on? These are the campaign issues being talked about everywhere in politics everyday. None of this is even debatable that it is happening, the debate is what side is right.

Inflation:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/inflati ... d=86600412

Supply chain:

https://sourcingjournal.com/topics/logi ... et-354640/

Crime:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/major-cities ... -shootings

School:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/parent ... ace-theory

The economy is always issue number one. And the Dems have no answers.

"It's the economy, stupid":

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... -rcna36715

Is there an issue you thought was more important to voters?


So you have no source for the “1 million dems switched party” among other things.


I just posted it. But what other things are unsourced? Why won't you answer my questions? If these aren't the election issues...what are?
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:13 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:You really didn't know a party swap of 1 million happened? These numbers are public.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto ... s-85766938


this is because of economic issues that are primarily not the fault of the democrats but get blamed on them anyway. most normal people don't care about which kind of genitals people have like you do.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:14 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
No they won't. It's only an issue religious types whose fefes are hurt by knowing they exist.



If you think the dems are only to blame for those; you are deluding yourself at best.

Jobs and inflation are on everybody's minds. How to deal with the great resignation is also puzzling people. This is a huge setback for the cons and free market types who have been trying to get people thinking their only reward is having a job.

Even then. LGBTQ+ people existing are only issues for religious conservatives. The rest are concerned about inflation and job outlooks.



You need a source for the democrats claim.


You'll get blindsided thinking that way. We've already had some elections testing the waters that show the Dems are getting destroyed, and my issues listed are why. The world overall is religious, the US is no exception, saying only the "religious" care about biology is not only not true, but also not an excuse, as religious folks are the majority.

You really didn't know a party swap of 1 million happened? These numbers are public.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto ... s-85766938


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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:16 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

Less than 99% of Americans even agree the Earth is round in some polls, and I sort of doubt we’re more unified on rabid transphobia than on basic physics lol
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:17 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:If it makes this thread feel better I’m a Liberal but I support this strike.

That this thread has convinced you that you need to add a 'but' in that sentence is astounding. Not a dig at you, doe eyed is your brand, it's a dig at the thread.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:17 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The United Front Empire wrote:99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

Less than 99% of Americans even agree the Earth is round in some polls, and I sort of doubt we’re more unified on rabid transphobia than on basic physics lol


B-but how do I know she's a girl if I can't see her gender identity without climbing to the top of a tall tower, huh?

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:21 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Less than 99% of Americans even agree the Earth is round in some polls, and I sort of doubt we’re more unified on rabid transphobia than on basic physics lol


B-but how do I know she's a girl if I can't see her gender identity without climbing to the top of a tall tower, huh?

If you watch a tall ship sail over the horizon, the gender identities of its passengers don’t appear to change. Checkmate liberals
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:21 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
No they won't. It's only an issue religious types whose fefes are hurt by knowing they exist.



If you think the dems are only to blame for those; you are deluding yourself at best.

Jobs and inflation are on everybody's minds. How to deal with the great resignation is also puzzling people. This is a huge setback for the cons and free market types who have been trying to get people thinking their only reward is having a job.

Even then. LGBTQ+ people existing are only issues for religious conservatives. The rest are concerned about inflation and job outlooks.



You need a source for the democrats claim.


You'll get blindsided thinking that way. We've already had some elections testing the waters that show the Dems are getting destroyed, and my issues listed are why. The world overall is religious, the US is no exception, saying only the "religious" care about biology is not only not true, but also not an excuse, as religious folks are the majority.

You really didn't know a party swap of 1 million happened? These numbers are public.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto ... s-85766938


The religious tend to know fuck all when it comes to biology these days. For example, I have heard a few comments about it's easy to save embryos from ectopic pregnancies. Many religious cons still think homosexuality is a chosen lifestyle. Even with covid; we saw how bad science knowledge is in parts of the US. I am also reminded by when biotech was exploding. A couple friends were running or started a couple companies. They told me they started blacklisting applicants from religious universities as they found their knowledge to be woefully substandard.

As to the switch over? Meh. It's in-between national elections. Things like this happen. Especially if the sitting president hasn't had a stellar time in office. The reps are not the dominating party people wise even with the shift.

If you are assuming I am a demo; I am not.....
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:23 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't think he is ignorant. He just don't give a damn. He is a rainbow strike breaker who wants that to happen only with a rainbow coloring and a veneer of respectability.

From what I understand, American schools don't tend to cover much of that history. Not that I'm any great scholar of labour history, I've just a few bits from being terminally online.

I went to high school so long ago I imagine things changed, but we went over strike breakers and the labor movement that lead to modern labor laws.

But I don't know if I just paid more attention to that part or if they covered it intensely. Also having been so long ago I'm not sure how much of it I learned in school versus from things like getting into Pete Seeger or knowing people who were very much into labor in America. I do remember that when I learned about the Protestant Work Ethic in high school it was not presented as a net positive for the nation. But then I had a world history teacher who started the year stating that his faith shaped his understanding of history and got basic Indian culture so bad my friend who was from India had to take over for him after he confused social classes for Hindu deities.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:23 pm

Senkaku wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
B-but how do I know she's a girl if I can't see her gender identity without climbing to the top of a tall tower, huh?

If you watch a tall ship sail over the horizon, the gender identities of its passengers don’t appear to change. Checkmate liberals


Absolutely BTFO, liberals lose 99% of elections.

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Postby The United Front Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:25 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
The United Front Empire wrote:You really didn't know a party swap of 1 million happened? These numbers are public.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto ... s-85766938


this is because of economic issues that are primarily not the fault of the democrats but get blamed on them anyway. most normal people don't care about which kind of genitals people have like you do.


Democrats passed the spending bills that started the inflation. Biden has done nothing but stifle job growth. He has no solution to supply chain or electrical power supply issues. The dems are 100% at fault. None of this had to happen.

Vassenor wrote:
First Amendment says hi. Your religion has no influence on the government .


It has absolutely nothing to do with that lol. People are going to vote based on their beliefs.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:25 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:If it makes this thread feel better I’m a Liberal but I support this strike.


You violated Lord Starks rule: Everything Before the Word "BUT" is Horse Shit!

:p

I support it as well.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:26 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The United Front Empire wrote:99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

Less than 99% of Americans even agree the Earth is round in some polls, and I sort of doubt we’re more unified on rabid transphobia than on basic physics lol


only 97% of Americans think there should be laws against texting while driving. he was definitely exaggerating.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:27 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
this is because of economic issues that are primarily not the fault of the democrats but get blamed on them anyway. most normal people don't care about which kind of genitals people have like you do.


Democrats passed the spending bills that started the inflation. Biden has done nothing but stifle job growth. He has no solution to supply chain or electrical power supply issues. The dems are 100% at fault. None of this had to happen.

Vassenor wrote:
First Amendment says hi. Your religion has no influence on the government .


It has absolutely nothing to do with that lol. People are going to vote based on their beliefs.


What bills started the inflation, and how?

Which party voted against a law to end gasoline price gouging?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:28 pm

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Fartsniffage wrote:Just checked. The Pinkertons are still about and one of the comprehensive solutions they provide is called "Workplace Violence".

So I'm sure they'd still be up for a bit of strike breaking.

I remember thinking once that it was mad that they hadn't even rebranded, like how Blackwater changed their name every five minutes during the Iraq War. But for their clientele, being the Pinkertons is probably a selling point.

There was such an anti-labor anti-union sentiment through the 80s and even 90s where people who were otherwise to the left of communism would rote repeat 'unions were a good idea but went too far' etc. By the end of the 90s when it was absolutely clear we were getting skull fucked by capitalism it was like a bit of waking up from hypnotism and young people (anyone below boomer) started the slow tedious drive to unionize.

Well, caveat. The 80s did have a big push by unions as part of the buy American movement that included ads that suggested we 'look for the union label' but when that faded it was a quick turn in the other direction.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:28 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
this is because of economic issues that are primarily not the fault of the democrats but get blamed on them anyway. most normal people don't care about which kind of genitals people have like you do.


Democrats passed the spending bills that started the inflation. Biden has done nothing but stifle job growth. He has no solution to supply chain or electrical power supply issues. The dems are 100% at fault. None of this had to happen.


how did spending money on infrastructure start inflation?

I think one of the key factors was price gouging by gasoline companies, although there are many other factors.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:30 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Senkaku wrote:If you watch a tall ship sail over the horizon, the gender identities of its passengers don’t appear to change. Checkmate liberals


Absolutely BTFO, liberals lose 99% of elections.

Democratic Party found dead in a ditch, Trump coronated as God-Emperor, the cis yeomen and yeowomen rejoice in the flat and uncurved streets

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Senkaku wrote:Less than 99% of Americans even agree the Earth is round in some polls, and I sort of doubt we’re more unified on rabid transphobia than on basic physics lol


only 97% of Americans think there should be laws against texting while driving. he was definitely exaggerating.

I think you see the point about how proclaiming universal agreement might be a teensy bit out of touch with the national mood, no?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Maybe if you didnt need a whole manifesto just to describe your beliefs. The two main parties can do it one sentence.
GOP: DEMOCRATS AND MINORITIES BAD
DNC: REPUBLICANS AND CHRISTIANS BAD

The Democrats overwhelmingly are Christians, what the fuck are you talking about?

Fun fact, Carter is credited for introducing religion in politics. How they figure that is a little convoluted but, anyway...
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:34 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
this is because of economic issues that are primarily not the fault of the democrats but get blamed on them anyway. most normal people don't care about which kind of genitals people have like you do.


Democrats passed the spending bills that started the inflation.

I’m pretty sure the war, plague, and famine that have been stalking the globe for the last two years maybe have also contributed
It has absolutely nothing to do with that lol. People are going to vote based on their beliefs.

People are going to vote based on who last put money in their pocket and who tells them the most compelling-sounding lies
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:37 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I remember thinking once that it was mad that they hadn't even rebranded, like how Blackwater changed their name every five minutes during the Iraq War. But for their clientele, being the Pinkertons is probably a selling point.

There was such an anti-labor anti-union sentiment through the 80s and even 90s where people who were otherwise to the left of communism would rote repeat 'unions were a good idea but went too far' etc. By the end of the 90s when it was absolutely clear we were getting skull fucked by capitalism it was like a bit of waking up from hypnotism and young people (anyone below boomer) started the slow tedious drive to unionize.

Well, caveat. The 80s did have a big push by unions as part of the buy American movement that included ads that suggested we 'look for the union label' but when that faded it was a quick turn in the other direction.


You forgot the cool songs :D

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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:37 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:If it makes this thread feel better I’m a Liberal but I support this strike.

That this thread has convinced you that you need to add a 'but' in that sentence is astounding. Not a dig at you, doe eyed is your brand, it's a dig at the thread.


I feel like I have to add that in because of this morning.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:38 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:social democrats are widely considered center-left. by saying "you aren't leftist if you don't want to violently overthrow capitalism", you are actively alienating the majority of your potential allies. socialism is still a small ideology in the US.

Trying to divide the pie up as thin as possible so that they can sit in the most sincere pumpkin patch is the jam of everyone to the left of Republicans. It's how a minority is able to get so much over on a majority, because the majority is falling all over itself to undo their advantage.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:40 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
That's neat. I never said Revolutionary Marxists are the only Leftists though, so maybe get that strawman out of my face?


Whatever. Revolutionary Socialists, whatever you want to call it.

branding is more important to them then 90s punk rockers.
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