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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:31 pm

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Salus Maior wrote:
I wouldn't call Fascism very coherent.


It is coherent to some degree.


it's policies and views are coherent individually, but they do not work together to form a coherent whole.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:32 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Thomasi wrote:Okay I am obviously pro striking but Governmnet employees literally have the best benefits and pay on the market. They get paid between 48K-80K depending and yearly raises with the rate of inflation, paid sick, parental, and vacation, tax free savings accounts, pension retirement plans, comprehensive health insurance at barely any cost, they normally pay off student loans or give you the cost of your tuition back.

https://careers.amtrak.com/content/Bene ... cale=en_US

I honestly don't see what they are striking for? Literally the Public sector has it good!

And how much does the equivalent make outside of government? Are the benefits good, yes, but the pay tends to be lower than what they would make outside.


It's also worth noting that since Amtrak operates a minute fraction of rail miles in the U.S., and maintains an even more minute portion of the track, that there simply aren't public sector jobs for most railroad workers.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:33 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
It is coherent to some degree.


it's policies and views are coherent individually, but they do not work together to form a coherent whole.


Functional and coherent aren't the same thing. Regardless, nitpicking a statement that effectively expressed the idea behind it is silly.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:34 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:Here's to hoping Republicans continue to kick out neocons and RINOs and remake the party on legitimate conservative values.

All they need to do is ask each Dem candidate they are competing against "Can only women get pregnant?" and they will wipe the elections.

Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:38 pm

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The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:social democrats are widely considered center-left. by saying "you aren't leftist if you don't want to violently overthrow capitalism", you are actively alienating the majority of your potential allies. socialism is still a small ideology in the US.


Social Democrats are not our allies. They fight in the defense of Capitalism, not in opposition to it. They are not our comrades; we have no reason to appeal to them.


social democrats don't want to "defend" capitalism, they want to improve it. socialism is not popular and a revolution will not result in this socialist utopia you dream of. it is likely that an even worse system emerges from the chaos.
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Postby The United Front Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:45 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.


And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.
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Postby Umeria » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:46 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.

And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

Not the elections where there are more important issues on the table
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Postby Renaissance Olwe » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:46 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.


And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.


So...trans men aren't men....trans women aren't women? Psychological data would disagree with you.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:49 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.


And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

Looks at the various democrat controlled states…nope you are factually wrong.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:49 pm

Renaissance Olwe wrote:
The United Front Empire wrote:
And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.


So...trans men aren't men....trans women aren't women? Psychological data would disagree with you.


"Psychological data" doesn't dictate how people vote, though.

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:50 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.


And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

I'm sure you have a reliable source for that percentage.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:52 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Answer nope, however, only females, and not all females, can get pregnant.some men can get pregnant.


And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.


Yeaaa....No. Sorry....most conservatives are worried about real issues like jobs, the future, etc. The fact their are icky trans people is limited to a small percentage. Those people tend to be unhappy with most things anyway.

Even then. Biology isn't a defining moment on the matters of humanity. Most people are still having more then enough children to keep the species going. The fact there is LGBTQ+....isn't that big of a deal.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:53 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
The United Front Empire wrote:
And that answer from a Dem will win the Republicans every election. 99% of Americans agree with the biological answer that only women can get pregnant. Anything else is seen as lunacy, or a lie.

I'm sure you have a reliable source for that percentage.


How long you willing to hold your breath? ;)
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:54 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:Here's to hoping Republicans continue to kick out neocons and RINOs and remake the party on legitimate conservative values.

All they need to do is ask each Dem candidate they are competing against "Can only women get pregnant?" and they will wipe the elections.


And what do you mean by "legitimate conservative values"?
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Postby The United Front Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:55 pm

Umeria wrote:Not the elections where there are more important issues on the table


1. It doesn't matter. If a Democrat answers anything besides "Only biological women can get pregnant" they will get torn apart at the polls.

2. What are the more important issues? More things the Dems have failed on?

Gas? Inflation? The supply chain? Violent crime? School material?

I think it was Virginia that had that special election already for governor and had the red wave, we are already seeing what issues people care about.

1 million Democrats have swapped parties this year.
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Postby Port Caverton » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:56 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:Here's to hoping Republicans continue to kick out neocons and RINOs and remake the party on legitimate conservative values.

All they need to do is ask each Dem candidate they are competing against "Can only women get pregnant?" and they will wipe the elections.

Neocons are the REAL Republicans. Everyone else is a RINO.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:57 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Umeria wrote:Not the elections where there are more important issues on the table


1. It doesn't matter. If a Democrat answers anything besides "Only biological women can get pregnant" they will get torn apart at the polls.

2. What are the more important issues? More things the Dems have failed on?

Gas? Inflation? The supply chain? Violent crime? School material?

I think it was Virginia that had that special election already for governor and had the red wave, we are already seeing what issues people care about.

1 million Democrats have swapped parties this year.


And I am sure you can provide a source for all of these claims that isn't just your rectum.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:59 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not exactly fond of automation putting people out of work, especially when many new jobs we create are shitty low paying jobs in the service industry.


That's a way of life though. Error prone jobs get automated. As automation improves; it branches out to other areas. Take tech; why have a human reading through error logs when you can automate it and catch more.

Before I got laid off; I was working on an AI to handle low level system administration tasks.

Such actions though will lead to universal health care, basic incomes, and shelters. There will be more people then jobs....
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not exactly fond of automation putting people out of work, especially when many new jobs we create are shitty low paying jobs in the service industry.


That's a way of life though. Error prone jobs get automated. As automation improves; it branches out to other areas. Take tech; why have a human reading through error logs when you can automate it and catch more.

Before I got laid off; I was working on an AI to handle low level system administration tasks.

Such actions though will lead to universal health care, basic incomes, and shelters. There will be more people then jobs....


I think it may be overly optimistic to presume "more people than jobs" will result in less work hours, or robust social programs, and not just more and more people living in tents down by the canal.

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Postby The United Front Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:05 pm

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And I am sure you can provide a source for all of these claims that isn't just your rectum.


What do you want a source on? These are the campaign issues being talked about everywhere in politics everyday. None of this is even debatable that it is happening, the debate is what side is right.

Inflation:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/inflati ... d=86600412

Supply chain:

https://sourcingjournal.com/topics/logi ... et-354640/

Crime:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/major-cities ... -shootings

School:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/parent ... ace-theory

The economy is always issue number one. And the Dems have no answers.

"It's the economy, stupid":

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... -rcna36715

Is there an issue you thought was more important to voters?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:05 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Umeria wrote:Not the elections where there are more important issues on the table


1. It doesn't matter. If a Democrat answers anything besides "Only biological women can get pregnant" they will get torn apart at the polls.


No they won't. It's only an issue religious types whose fefes are hurt by knowing they exist.

2. What are the more important issues? More things the Dems have failed on?

Gas? Inflation? The supply chain? Violent crime? School material?


If you think the dems are only to blame for those; you are deluding yourself at best.

Jobs and inflation are on everybody's minds. How to deal with the great resignation is also puzzling people. This is a huge setback for the cons and free market types who have been trying to get people thinking their only reward is having a job.

Even then. LGBTQ+ people existing are only issues for religious conservatives. The rest are concerned about inflation and job outlooks.

I think it was Virginia that had that special election already for governor and had the red wave, we are already seeing what issues people care about.

1 million Democrats have swapped parties this year.


You need a source for the democrats claim.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:06 pm

The United Front Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And I am sure you can provide a source for all of these claims that isn't just your rectum.


What do you want a source on? These are the campaign issues being talked about everywhere in politics everyday. None of this is even debatable that it is happening, the debate is what side is right.

Inflation:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/inflati ... d=86600412

Supply chain:

https://sourcingjournal.com/topics/logi ... et-354640/

Crime:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/major-cities ... -shootings

School:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/parent ... ace-theory

The economy is always issue number one. And the Dems have no answers.

"It's the economy, stupid":

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... -rcna36715

Is there an issue you thought was more important to voters?


So you have no source for the “1 million dems switched party” among other things.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:07 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's a way of life though. Error prone jobs get automated. As automation improves; it branches out to other areas. Take tech; why have a human reading through error logs when you can automate it and catch more.

Before I got laid off; I was working on an AI to handle low level system administration tasks.

Such actions though will lead to universal health care, basic incomes, and shelters. There will be more people then jobs....


I think it may be overly optimistic to presume "more people than jobs" will result in less work hours, or robust social programs, and not just more and more people living in tents down by the canal.


It probably is. I have a problem with being a Pollyanna at times.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:08 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:Damn workers striking is a threat? Maybe they should do it more.

It kinda does sound like whole reason strikes exist.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I think it may be overly optimistic to presume "more people than jobs" will result in less work hours, or robust social programs, and not just more and more people living in tents down by the canal.


It probably is. I have a problem with being a Pollyanna at times.


I suppose only time will tell, and maybe we'll get lucky and you'll be right on this one.

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