Extraterrestrial Discussion Thread

[The United Front Empire]

Sure, but at the same time... tiny plastic shells with home cameras and water bottle fuel tanks sound like a very efficient sort of spy drone. This is the one thing I've heard from Western sources that does not make them sound incompetent.

Fair enough.

It's not even propaganda, a bunch of them have been captured and dismantled on video. Each one is exactly the same, and the Russians are somehow paying something like a hundred grand for each one lmao.

Each one looks the same probably because they are using the same footage over and over again lol.

This isn't the Soviet Union anymore, this is a hollowed-out husk ruled by nothing but greed and it shows.

That's the same thing.

[San Lumen]

It's not even propaganda, a bunch of them have been captured and dismantled on video. Each one is exactly the same, and the Russians are somehow paying something like a hundred grand for each one lmao.

Each one looks the same probably because they are using the same footage over and over again lol.

This isn't the Soviet Union anymore, this is a hollowed-out husk ruled by nothing but greed and it shows.

That's the same thing.

To get back on topic if this is the only planet in the entire universe with life why did God create countless stars and billions of galaxies? Thousands of exoplanets have been discovered too.

I’m asking this as a person of faith.

[Fourth Jellian Republic]

The idea of aliens is a replacement for religion and God. It's filling a hole.

If there are infinite possibilities, there is also the possibility that there is no other life out there.

There are no aliens, and never will be.

I would not be surprised if world governments try to pretend there are aliens as some sort of crisis in the next century.

From a Catholic perspective, space is ours, it's for humanity.

Infinite possibility means that there is an infinite chance for aliens to exist.

[Fourth Jellian Republic]

It's essentially a close match for what you posted.

The NWO breaking down religion and swapping in a pre-constructed narrative about aliens as a replacement to fill the spiritual gap with something more controlled via faking an alien visitation and/or invasion.

This is just pure conspiracy theory. The idea that there's some "New World Order" that's somehow going to try and replace religion with fucking aliens of all things (which, speaking as a religious person, do not even come close to replacing God for anyone that shouldn't be in intensive therapy) is laughable on its face.

Unless these aliens are actually the enlightened super-beings that ascientific misanthropes really want them to be, then they're pretty much just going to be another form of life. You would have to construct something completely outside of the current narratives surrounding aliens in order to get them even vaguely close to worthy of replacing human spirituality.

Perhaps he meant that some people say god is an alien

[The United Front Empire]

Each one looks the same probably because they are using the same footage over and over again lol.



That's the same thing.

To get back on topic if this is the only planet in the entire universe with life why did God create countless stars and billions of galaxies? Thousands of exoplanets have been discovered too.

I’m asking this as a person of faith.

I think two possibilities, but I'm just a dude what do I know.

1. We are expected to colonize and bring God's glory to the universe just like our job is on Earth.

or

2. We as humans are entirely wrong on our calculations of measurements and are completely wrong on the size and scope of space.

[San Lumen]

To get back on topic if this is the only planet in the entire universe with life why did God create countless stars and billions of galaxies? Thousands of exoplanets have been discovered too.

I’m asking this as a person of faith.

I think two possibilities, but I'm just a dude what do I know.

1. We are expected to colonize and bring God's glory to the universe just like our job is on Earth.

or

2. We as humans are entirely wrong on our calculations of measurements and are completely wrong on the size and scope of space.

The billions of galaxies were made just for us? We are therefore only advanced life in the vastness of space. What a waste of space.

If we are wrong what is the correct calculations?

[The United Front Empire]

I think two possibilities, but I'm just a dude what do I know.

1. We are expected to colonize and bring God's glory to the universe just like our job is on Earth.

or

2. We as humans are entirely wrong on our calculations of measurements and are completely wrong on the size and scope of space.

The billions of galaxies were made just for us? We are therefore only advanced life in the vastness of space. What a waste of space.

If we are wrong what is the correct calculations?

If you're coming from a place of faith, why are human lives a waste of space? Who knows what happens in the future maybe we need it all.

I have no idea what the correct calculations would be. Much smaller. We can only see so much of the known universe, and not very well at that, and we base our guess of the size of the universe on it.

[Stellar Colonies]

It's essentially a close match for what you posted.

The NWO breaking down religion and swapping in a pre-constructed narrative about aliens as a replacement to fill the spiritual gap with something more controlled via faking an alien visitation and/or invasion.

This is just pure conspiracy theory. The idea that there's some "New World Order" that's somehow going to try and replace religion with fucking aliens of all things (which, speaking as a religious person, do not even come close to replacing God for anyone that shouldn't be in intensive therapy) is laughable on its face.

Unless these aliens are actually the enlightened super-beings that ascientific misanthropes really want them to be, then they're pretty much just going to be another form of life. You would have to construct something completely outside of the current narratives surrounding aliens in order to get them even vaguely close to worthy of replacing human spirituality.

Indeed

[Washington Resistance Army]

I have no idea what the correct calculations would be. Much smaller. We can only see so much of the known universe, and not very well at that, and we base our guess of the size of the universe on it.

I feel like you don't have much actual science to base this on.

[The United Front Empire]

I have no idea what the correct calculations would be. Much smaller. We can only see so much of the known universe, and not very well at that, and we base our guess of the size of the universe on it.

I feel like you don't have much actual science to base this on.

I mean it's about as much as the people claiming they are accurately measuring the universe.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I feel like you don't have much actual science to base this on.

I mean it's about as much as the people claiming they are accurately measuring the universe.

That's entirely incorrect but even if we only care about the directly observable universe it's still unfathomably large. A single lightyear is almost 6 trillion miles, and the directly observable universe has a diameter of 93 billion light years.

[Nimzonia]

I feel like you don't have much actual science to base this on.

I mean it's about as much as the people claiming they are accurately measuring the universe.

No, it really isn't.

[Betoni]

and what's to say an advanced civilization hasn't figured it out and simply choses not to make first contact because we aren't interesting enough to them?

We'd presumably be able to detect their civilization regardless. Any civilization capable of FTL space travel would presumably also be building megastructures to more efficiently harvest energy and such things don't seem to exist.

What kind of megastructures do you think they presumably would need to build that we should be able to detect?

[San Lumen]

The billions of galaxies were made just for us? We are therefore only advanced life in the vastness of space. What a waste of space.

If we are wrong what is the correct calculations?

If you're coming from a place of faith, why are human lives a waste of space? Who knows what happens in the future maybe we need it all.

I have no idea what the correct calculations would be. Much smaller. We can only see so much of the known universe, and not very well at that, and we base our guess of the size of the universe on it.

I did not call human lives a waste of space. I meant if its just us in the entire universe its an awful waste of space.

[Red Lake Circle]

We'd presumably be able to detect their civilization regardless. Any civilization capable of FTL space travel would presumably also be building megastructures to more efficiently harvest energy and such things don't seem to exist.

What kind of megastructures do you think they presumably would need to build that we should be able to detect?

I assume they’re talking about Dyson Spheres and the like.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What kind of megastructures do you think they presumably would need to build that we should be able to detect?

I assume they’re talking about Dyson Spheres and the like.

This was what I had in mind, yeah, or really just anything similar that stands out as distinctly artificial.

[Betoni]

I assume they’re talking about Dyson Spheres and the like.

This was what I had in mind, yeah, or really just anything similar that stands out as distinctly artificial.

Ok. I kind of assumed that with our current ability, and the little time that we have had said ability, to "see" such variation on distant stars, would not mean that we would have necessarily detected them by now.

[The United Front Empire]

This was what I had in mind, yeah, or really just anything similar that stands out as distinctly artificial.

Ok. I kind of assumed that with our current ability, and the little time that we have had said ability, to "see" such variation on distant stars, would not mean that we would have necessarily detected them by now.

What could we not be detecting that they have that wouldn't use or emit radio waves of some kind? We can essentially scan 25% of the galaxy for that, and we've heard nothing back. I agree with the Fermi paradox. We should have found them by now.

[The Aber]

Only a moron would think there's nothing out there that lives. A seemingly endless universe of possibilities, but just because we've mapped some celestial bodies that we suddenly know everything about the Universe. Such ignorance is fueled by arrogance, and overblown narcissism.

[The United Front Empire]

It's not arrogant to scan such a large area and come back with nothing and start making predictions with that info.

[The Aber]

It's not arrogant to scan such a large area and come back with nothing and start making predictions with that info.

We barely have enough objective enthusiasm and experience to be able to colonize Mars, let alone develop a system capable of rigorously scanning light years of space. With that being said, we really shouldn't assume anything, more or less assume that there's nothing.

[Fourth Jellian Republic]

Well you could argue that there are an infinite amount of dimensions all holding infinite possibility. That can go on forever. There will never come a time when we know more than 50% of infinity, so waiting for better days doesn’t really make sense. We just have an evolving conclusion.

As of now we can see things in many ranges of the em spectrum, and until we can see more, that’s our world, our reality.


I’m personally excited to see if the James Webb telescope can unearth more information regarding possible alien life.

[The United Front Empire]

I think it's weird to not see this as two sides of the same coin. Why expect there to be anything? There is no reason to besides empty optimism. That's why I say the expectation of alien life is a replacement for religion.

[Ifreann]

A big ocean is west of California. Russia and China aren't flying little quadcopter drones across the Pacific to spy on America.

You think their latest tech is civilian recreational drone copters?

I think if you have some secret, revolutionary new battery technology that can fly a drone across the Pacific and back on a single charge, you absolutely do not put it in a drone and fly it across the Pacific where it might get captured. Probably you feed it to a favoured state company and make a fortune on electric cars and use that money to build some new spy satellites that'll do much better spying than your drone would have.

[San Lumen]

Ok. I kind of assumed that with our current ability, and the little time that we have had said ability, to "see" such variation on distant stars, would not mean that we would have necessarily detected them by now.

What could we not be detecting that they have that wouldn't use or emit radio waves of some kind? We can essentially scan 25% of the galaxy for that, and we've heard nothing back. I agree with the Fermi paradox. We should have found them by now.

Or maybe our technology can't pick up their signals? Perhaps they have moved beyond the electromagnetic spectrum?

Another possible explanation is they simply do not communicate the way we do. Their thought process might orders of magnitude slower (or faster) than that of humans.

Or what if they know about us and simply observe refusing to make first contact because we are not ready in their view?