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Age of Empires in Vietnam

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Would you try to save one student?

No (it wouldn’t be fair to those not saved)
7
33%
No (it would damage your reputation with school authorities)
1
5%
No (it would require you to lie in an essay)
2
10%
No (I want my extra credits)
6
29%
Yes (I would pick the nicest/most moral person in general)
1
5%
Yes (I would pick the person who drank the least, if there are contenders of the same rank, then I’d do a lottery)
1
5%
Yes (lottery involving whole class for one name)
0
No votes
Yes (I would pick someone who could trade me a favor or two)
0
No votes
Yes (I would pray and ask God who to pick)
2
10%
Yes (other)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 21

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Hard drugs as well, my kids old school had a policy that if someone OD'd and you were doing with them and called the cops there would be no penalty to either kid. But if they caught a kid with marijuana he was being arrested and expelled. I had a screaming match with the schools security director at a parents meeting over this

( this was pre legalization of weed).


I mean, as I see it that sort of thing is out of the school's hands. You can't really just ok illegal substances at a public institution, that's a pretty quick way to get in trouble with the authorities.

That being said, now that it's legalized (in some places) that's not really a problem anymore.

Arrest possibly, though they said the hard drug user would not be arrested. Expelled is completely under control of the school
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Postby Eahland » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:39 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a student at a strict right wing evangelical Christian school.

Pretty sure you've got me confused with someone else.

As a result of your demonstrated loyalty and service to the school in the past, you have 1 Salvation Credit.

Yeah, you've definitely got me confused with someone else. I'm the Eahland who got expelled for refusing to participate in mandatory prayer and yelling "Hail Eris!" instead of "Amen" at the end, wearing a T-shirt with a picture of Stonehenge and the legend "ORTHODOX DRUID", making out with a witch during lunch, drawing a pentagram on the underside of the glass on the trig teacher's overhead projector so she couldn't figure out how to clean it off, writing Iron Maiden lyrics on the whiteboard in "Satanic" runes, drawing "demonic" pictures, hijacking weak-willed teachers' classes to teach evolution and actual history myself, preaching Discordianism to the youth minister, preaching maltheism to the youth minister, "putting a curse on" said youth minister, buying people's souls for a nickel, and punching a teacher who tried to forcibly confiscate my D&D books.

A Salvation Credit can be used, where there is no prior collusion with the rule breaker, to get 1 student who is in trouble out of trouble. If unused by the end of the year, it converts to a 1-2 percent bonus to your final grade on one subject of your choice (ex you can change your PE grade from 80 to 82). Even when found to be a proper use, the deployment of a Salvation Ticket can be vetoed by a committee comprised of elected Student Council members (they have rarely used this power but have in the past been intimidated by the school teachers and the parents into vetoing). If vetoed, your Salvation Credit is saved for either a later deployment or for the extra credit gain. Salvation Credits may NOT be used to exculpate yourself.

To use the Salvation Credit, you must write a 12 page essay alleging that God told you to use it and explain why. The essay is graded and must get at least a passing grade for the Credit to be used.




During a 10th grade school trip your entire class ends up in a hotel in Vietnam after a whole day of touring Ho Chi Min City with the teachers and a tour guide. It is now “free time” and you are all advised not to travel too far from the hotel.

At the hotel, the cool kids are going to take everyone shopping and then have a party. Some of them are bullies though you are traditionally out of reach for their antics because of your strong ties to the teachers.

Instead of joining the class for their shopping and partying, you and 3 others decide to take off on your own and play Age of Empires II at an Internet cafe. You want to test the new knights rush strategy (it ends up working quite well).

When you return yo the hotel some of the bullies come to you and while smirking say: “Ha. You idiots. You missed one helluva party.”




After you return to school things go as normal for a few weeks. And then the news starts to spread.

Apparently while you and your buddies were off gaming… everyone else was at the cool kid’s party and someone somehow ordered a ton of alcoholic drinks. At least half the party got somewhat tipsy while many only drank 1-2. The class neglected to mention this to the teachers so they were unaware.

Weeks later, one of the cool kids casually mentioned it to their parents. The parents were “morally outraged” (there is a no drinking rule at the school, also, it’s “un-Christian”) and call the school. A committee of angry “morally righteous” parents confront the school and demand that the drinkers be disciplined.

The school then began a massive “inquisition” into who was at the party and more importantly, who drank so much as a single sip of the “evil liquors.” After a comprehensive investigation, around 97 percent was found to have partook. It was then decided that they would all be suspended for several weeks (students from honor societies were also kicked out and many awards were revoked). The suspension included long-term heavy cleaning work in addition to mountains of line-writing.

You and your friends were also interrogated but the school found that you and your friends are fine. Internet cafe gaming? Whatevs.




97 percent of the class looks completely miserable now and many have approached you about using your 1 Salvation Ticket to help.

It might not make sense to use it. Whether you use it or not, the vast majority of the class will continue to be resentful towards you and your friends. Even if you used it, it might get vetoed and just by using it, you might somehow damage your existing good relations with the school authorities. You also don’t like the idea of a 12 page essay and you’re not really sure God wants you to use it. Also, how would you even choose which one student to save? It wouldn’t be fair to everyone else.

If you're going to ask questions like this, don't tell us what we do or don't like. That defeats the entire point. And as you may have gathered, I don't believe in your monstrous god.

(That list up above? That's all stuff I actually did. I did not get expelled, because I went to an actual school, not a cult brainwashing compound.)


If you do use it, you need to come up with an ethical system or personal preference for who yo save. Discuss and justify.

I wouldn’t use it in part because I’d want the extra credit and in part because using it would be a thankless thing to do. One person is happy but then everyone else hates me more and the school would raise eyebrows at me. Furthermore, I don’t want to write dishonest essays.

Yeah, this whole thing is insanity. These guys were assholes to me; I've got no reason to bail them out. They can spin on it.
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Postby Vikanias » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:58 pm

First I thought this was gonna be actually about empires in Fortunate-son land but you’ve upset me. Whi cares about high school.
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Postby Vikanias » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:03 am

Eahland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a student at a strict right wing evangelical Christian school.

Pretty sure you've got me confused with someone else.

As a result of your demonstrated loyalty and service to the school in the past, you have 1 Salvation Credit.

Yeah, you've definitely got me confused with someone else. I'm the Eahland who got expelled for refusing to participate in mandatory prayer and yelling "Hail Eris!" instead of "Amen" at the end, wearing a T-shirt with a picture of Stonehenge and the legend "ORTHODOX DRUID", making out with a witch during lunch, drawing a pentagram on the underside of the glass on the trig teacher's overhead projector so she couldn't figure out how to clean it off, writing Iron Maiden lyrics on the whiteboard in "Satanic" runes, drawing "demonic" pictures, hijacking weak-willed teachers' classes to teach evolution and actual history myself, preaching Discordianism to the youth minister, preaching maltheism to the youth minister, "putting a curse on" said youth minister, buying people's souls for a nickel, and punching a teacher who tried to forcibly confiscate my D&D books.

A Salvation Credit can be used, where there is no prior collusion with the rule breaker, to get 1 student who is in trouble out of trouble. If unused by the end of the year, it converts to a 1-2 percent bonus to your final grade on one subject of your choice (ex you can change your PE grade from 80 to 82). Even when found to be a proper use, the deployment of a Salvation Ticket can be vetoed by a committee comprised of elected Student Council members (they have rarely used this power but have in the past been intimidated by the school teachers and the parents into vetoing). If vetoed, your Salvation Credit is saved for either a later deployment or for the extra credit gain. Salvation Credits may NOT be used to exculpate yourself.

To use the Salvation Credit, you must write a 12 page essay alleging that God told you to use it and explain why. The essay is graded and must get at least a passing grade for the Credit to be used.




During a 10th grade school trip your entire class ends up in a hotel in Vietnam after a whole day of touring Ho Chi Min City with the teachers and a tour guide. It is now “free time” and you are all advised not to travel too far from the hotel.

At the hotel, the cool kids are going to take everyone shopping and then have a party. Some of them are bullies though you are traditionally out of reach for their antics because of your strong ties to the teachers.

Instead of joining the class for their shopping and partying, you and 3 others decide to take off on your own and play Age of Empires II at an Internet cafe. You want to test the new knights rush strategy (it ends up working quite well).

When you return yo the hotel some of the bullies come to you and while smirking say: “Ha. You idiots. You missed one helluva party.”




After you return to school things go as normal for a few weeks. And then the news starts to spread.

Apparently while you and your buddies were off gaming… everyone else was at the cool kid’s party and someone somehow ordered a ton of alcoholic drinks. At least half the party got somewhat tipsy while many only drank 1-2. The class neglected to mention this to the teachers so they were unaware.

Weeks later, one of the cool kids casually mentioned it to their parents. The parents were “morally outraged” (there is a no drinking rule at the school, also, it’s “un-Christian”) and call the school. A committee of angry “morally righteous” parents confront the school and demand that the drinkers be disciplined.

The school then began a massive “inquisition” into who was at the party and more importantly, who drank so much as a single sip of the “evil liquors.” After a comprehensive investigation, around 97 percent was found to have partook. It was then decided that they would all be suspended for several weeks (students from honor societies were also kicked out and many awards were revoked). The suspension included long-term heavy cleaning work in addition to mountains of line-writing.

You and your friends were also interrogated but the school found that you and your friends are fine. Internet cafe gaming? Whatevs.




97 percent of the class looks completely miserable now and many have approached you about using your 1 Salvation Ticket to help.

It might not make sense to use it. Whether you use it or not, the vast majority of the class will continue to be resentful towards you and your friends. Even if you used it, it might get vetoed and just by using it, you might somehow damage your existing good relations with the school authorities. You also don’t like the idea of a 12 page essay and you’re not really sure God wants you to use it. Also, how would you even choose which one student to save? It wouldn’t be fair to everyone else.

If you're going to ask questions like this, don't tell us what we do or don't like. That defeats the entire point. And as you may have gathered, I don't believe in your monstrous god.

(That list up above? That's all stuff I actually did. I did not get expelled, because I went to an actual school, not a cult brainwashing compound.)


If you do use it, you need to come up with an ethical system or personal preference for who yo save. Discuss and justify.

I wouldn’t use it in part because I’d want the extra credit and in part because using it would be a thankless thing to do. One person is happy but then everyone else hates me more and the school would raise eyebrows at me. Furthermore, I don’t want to write dishonest essays.

Yeah, this whole thing is insanity. These guys were assholes to me; I've got no reason to bail them out. They can spin on it.


I think half the shit you said was either a lie or an exaggeration “hijacking weak-willed teachers classes to teach evolution” my ass. With all you listed I’m surprised you weren’t expelled, which puts the truthfulness of your “experiences” on a thin rope IMO.
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Postby Cavirfi » Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:36 am

I will not use it. These students knew what they were getting themselves into.
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