Age of Empires in Vietnam

[Adamede]

Ok I must've read it wrong. My bad.

Still the 2% is pretty pitiful and inly worth it in a specific situation.

Isn’t it always worth it since it requires no work to earn?

It’s basically a gift. Well, unless you feel you have a moral obligation to try and get one person out of trouble.

Its like finding a penny on the ground. Unless I'm a penny short of say a candy bar or something the penny is worth less than the effort to bend down and pick it up.

[Infected Mushroom]

Isn’t it always worth it since it requires no work to earn?

It’s basically a gift. Well, unless you feel you have a moral obligation to try and get one person out of trouble.

Its like finding a penny on the ground. Unless I'm a penny short of say a candy bar or something the penny is worth less than the effort to bend down and pick it up.

Except you don’t even have to bend down to pick it up

It just comes to you automatically, it’s a benefit that attaches, zero weight

[Kannap]

Its like finding a penny on the ground. Unless I'm a penny short of say a candy bar or something the penny is worth less than the effort to bend down and pick it up.

Except you don’t even have to bend down to pick it up

It just comes to you automatically, it’s a benefit that attaches, zero weight

Even if the penny magically appears in my pocket, I'm not getting excited - it's a fucking penny.

[Ikania]

The only way someone is getting my Salvation Credit is with a lot of money. Which is itself sinful, and would probably see me disciplined, so I’ll err on the side of caution and let them face the consequences for their actions. The only people that will matter once we graduate are the ones I played AoE II with anyway.

[Prima Scriptura]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a student at a strict right wing evangelical Christian school.

As a result of your demonstrated loyalty and service to the school in the past, you have 1 Salvation Credit. A Salvation Credit can be used, where there is no prior collusion with the rule breaker, to get 1 student who is in trouble out of trouble. If unused by the end of the year, it converts to a 1-2 percent bonus to your final grade on one subject of your choice (ex you can change your PE grade from 80 to 82). Even when found to be a proper use, the deployment of a Salvation Ticket can be vetoed by a committee comprised of elected Student Council members (they have rarely used this power but have in the past been intimidated by the school teachers and the parents into vetoing). If vetoed, your Salvation Credit is saved for either a later deployment or for the extra credit gain. Salvation Credits may NOT be used to exculpate yourself.

To use the Salvation Credit, you must write a 12 page essay alleging that God told you to use it and explain why. The essay is graded and must get at least a passing grade for the Credit to be used.

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During a 10th grade school trip your entire class ends up in a hotel in Vietnam after a whole day of touring Ho Chi Min City with the teachers and a tour guide. It is now “free time” and you are all advised not to travel too far from the hotel.

At the hotel, the cool kids are going to take everyone shopping and then have a party. Some of them are bullies though you are traditionally out of reach for their antics because of your strong ties to the teachers.

Instead of joining the class for their shopping and partying, you and 3 others decide to take off on your own and play Age of Empires II at an Internet cafe. You want to test the new knights rush strategy (it ends up working quite well).

When you return yo the hotel some of the bullies come to you and while smirking say: “Ha. You idiots. You missed one helluva party.”

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After you return to school things go as normal for a few weeks. And then the news starts to spread.

Apparently while you and your buddies were off gaming… everyone else was at the cool kid’s party and someone somehow ordered a ton of alcoholic drinks. At least half the party got somewhat tipsy while many only drank 1-2. The class neglected to mention this to the teachers so they were unaware.

Weeks later, one of the cool kids casually mentioned it to their parents. The parents were “morally outraged” (there is a no drinking rule at the school, also, it’s “un-Christian”) and call the school. A committee of angry “morally righteous” parents confront the school and demand that the drinkers be disciplined.

The school then began a massive “inquisition” into who was at the party and more importantly, who drank so much as a single sip of the “evil liquors.” After a comprehensive investigation, around 97 percent was found to have partook. It was then decided that they would all be suspended for several weeks (students from honor societies were also kicked out and many awards were revoked). The suspension included long-term heavy cleaning work in addition to mountains of line-writing.

You and your friends were also interrogated but the school found that you and your friends are fine. Internet cafe gaming? Whatevs.

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97 percent of the class looks completely miserable now and many have approached you about using your 1 Salvation Ticket to help.

It might not make sense to use it. Whether you use it or not, the vast majority of the class will continue to be resentful towards you and your friends. Even if you used it, it might get vetoed and just by using it, you might somehow damage your existing good relations with the school authorities. You also don’t like the idea of a 12 page essay and you’re not really sure God wants you to use it. Also, how would you even choose which one student to save? It wouldn’t be fair to everyone else.

If you do use it, you need to come up with an ethical system or personal preference for who yo save. Discuss and justify.

I wouldn’t use it in part because I’d want the extra credit and in part because using it would be a thankless thing to do. One person is happy but then everyone else hates me more and the school would raise eyebrows at me. Furthermore, I don’t want to write dishonest essays.

Since I am actually a conservative evangelical, I would be honest about my actions and accept any consequence that results from it

[Thermodolia]

Except you don’t even have to bend down to pick it up

It just comes to you automatically, it’s a benefit that attaches, zero weight

Even if the penny magically appears in my pocket, I'm not getting excited - it's a fucking penny.

This is like a boss giving you a five cent raise and thinking he did the best thing ever

[Salus Maior]

I'm fairly certain any school, and not just a teetotaler Christian school, would find a lot of outrage at their underage children getting drunk on a school trip.

A load of out of touch nonsense as usual.

[Prima Scriptura]

I'm fairly certain any school, and not just a teetotaler Christian school, would find a lot of outrage at their underage children getting drunk on a school trip.

A load of out of touch nonsense as usual.

A lot of the public and secular universities are giving amnesty for underage drinking if there was a sexual assault involved, at least for the alleged victim

[Salus Maior]

I'm fairly certain any school, and not just a teetotaler Christian school, would find a lot of outrage at their underage children getting drunk on a school trip.

A load of out of touch nonsense as usual.

A lot of the public and secular universities are giving amnesty for underage drinking if there was a sexual assault involved, at least for the alleged victim

...That's completely different from throwing alcoholic ragers. That's just protection for victims, not a pass for underage drinking.

[Prima Scriptura]

A lot of the public and secular universities are giving amnesty for underage drinking if there was a sexual assault involved, at least for the alleged victim

...That's completely different from throwing alcoholic ragers. That's just protection for victims, not a pass for underage drinking.

I agree. I’m trying to expand the discussion about University polices regarding underage drinking

[Salus Maior]

...That's completely different from throwing alcoholic ragers. That's just protection for victims, not a pass for underage drinking.

What makes a country's drinking age automatically the moral age at which someone should drink, though?

Health and responsibility.

[Prima Scriptura]

...That's completely different from throwing alcoholic ragers. That's just protection for victims, not a pass for underage drinking.

What makes a country's drinking age automatically the moral age at which someone should drink, though?

America has very lax drunk driving laws, an unhealthy relationship with alcohol and our public transportation is disgusting and inefficient. Thus, the drinking age is 21. When some states lowered to 18, there were a spike in underage drunk driving accidents and deaths. The mothers against drunk driving organization convinced Ronald Reagan, who was ironically a state’s rights federalist to make it if a state had a lower drinking age than drinking age than 21, they would lose a big chunk of their highway fund

[Salus Maior]

Health and responsibility.

That does vary with each person though...

Though I will agree the age isn't automatically 21.

Health doesn't really.

[Prima Scriptura]

That does vary with each person though...

Though I will agree the age isn't automatically 21.

Health doesn't really.

Do you support the 21 year drinking age? I’m kind of undecided about it, to be honest

[A m e n r i a]

>right wing
>Christian

That's how you know this is a hypothetical

[Prima Scriptura]

>right wing
>Christian

That's how you know this is a hypothetical

Not all right wingers support laissez-faire capitalism and are critical of a welfare state. I am a paternalistic conservative and a Wesleyan Christian. To put it simply, we really care about what Muslims would call Zakat

[A m e n r i a]

>right wing
>Christian

That's how you know this is a hypothetical

Not all right wingers support laissez-faire capitalism and are critical of a welfare state. I am a paternalistic conservative and a Wesleyan Christian. To put it simply, we really care about what Muslims would call Zakat

Yeah the joke is conservative Christians or just any Christian that isn't a liberal are so rare most people wouldn't think they exist.

But to answer the question, I wouldn't normally use my get out of jail with a 12 page essay card. Someone would have to do a lot of convincing for me to bail them out.

[Prima Scriptura]

Not all right wingers support laissez-faire capitalism and are critical of a welfare state. I am a paternalistic conservative and a Wesleyan Christian. To put it simply, we really care about what Muslims would call Zakat

Yeah the joke is conservative Christians or just any Christian that isn't a liberal are so rare most people wouldn't think they exist.

But to answer the question, I wouldn't normally use my get out of jail with a 12 page essay card. Someone would have to do a lot of convincing for me to bail them out.

Brother I don’t know where you’re getting that idea from but there are a lot of conservative Christians in the United States.

[A m e n r i a]

Yeah the joke is conservative Christians or just any Christian that isn't a liberal are so rare most people wouldn't think they exist.

But to answer the question, I wouldn't normally use my get out of jail with a 12 page essay card. Someone would have to do a lot of convincing for me to bail them out.

Brother I don’t know where you’re getting that idea from but there are a lot of conservative Christians in the United States.

Over there? Yeah, makes sense ig, although even "conservative" Americans are still arguably liberal.

[Prima Scriptura]

Brother I don’t know where you’re getting that idea from but there are a lot of conservative Christians in the United States.

Over there? Yeah, makes sense ig, although even "conservative" Americans are still arguably liberal.

Yes, we are liberal in the sense we believe in the liberal, western democracy. However, we have the most conservative Christians in the west

[Kannap]

I'm fairly certain any school, and not just a teetotaler Christian school, would find a lot of outrage at their underage children getting drunk on a school trip.

A load of out of touch nonsense as usual.

Well, that's obvious. Of course, most people are going to be upset if their 16-year-old gets drunk on an school trip. Nonetheless, the punishment given by this power trip of a fantasy IM is having here is far more severe than it needs to be.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Brother I don’t know where you’re getting that idea from but there are a lot of conservative Christians in the United States.

Over there? Yeah, makes sense ig, although even "conservative" Americans are still arguably liberal.

what are you talking about?

[Ethel mermania]

I'm fairly certain any school, and not just a teetotaler Christian school, would find a lot of outrage at their underage children getting drunk on a school trip.

A load of out of touch nonsense as usual.

A lot of the public and secular universities are giving amnesty for underage drinking if there was a sexual assault involved, at least for the alleged victim

Hard drugs as well, my kids old school had a policy that if someone OD'd and you were doing with them and called the cops there would be no penalty to either kid. But if they caught a kid with marijuana he was being arrested and expelled. I had a screaming match with the schools security director at a parents meeting over this

( this was pre legalization of weed).

[Salus Maior]

A lot of the public and secular universities are giving amnesty for underage drinking if there was a sexual assault involved, at least for the alleged victim

Hard drugs as well, my kids old school had a policy that if someone OD'd and you were doing with them and called the cops there would be no penalty to either kid. But if they caught a kid with marijuana he was being arrested and expelled. I had a screaming match with the schools security director at a parents meeting over this

( this was pre legalization of weed).

I mean, as I see it that sort of thing is out of the school's hands. You can't really just ok illegal substances at a public institution, that's a pretty quick way to get in trouble with the authorities.

That being said, now that it's legalized (in some places) that's not really a problem anymore.

[Salus Maior]

Over there? Yeah, makes sense ig, although even "conservative" Americans are still arguably liberal.

what are you talking about?

Speaking broadly, both the Republicans and Democrats are liberal, ideologically.