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Age of Empires in Vietnam

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Would you try to save one student?

No (it wouldn’t be fair to those not saved)
7
33%
No (it would damage your reputation with school authorities)
1
5%
No (it would require you to lie in an essay)
2
10%
No (I want my extra credits)
6
29%
Yes (I would pick the nicest/most moral person in general)
1
5%
Yes (I would pick the person who drank the least, if there are contenders of the same rank, then I’d do a lottery)
1
5%
Yes (lottery involving whole class for one name)
0
No votes
Yes (I would pick someone who could trade me a favor or two)
0
No votes
Yes (I would pray and ask God who to pick)
2
10%
Yes (other)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 21

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Age of Empires in Vietnam

Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:20 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a student at a strict right wing evangelical Christian school.

As a result of your demonstrated loyalty and service to the school in the past, you have 1 Salvation Credit. A Salvation Credit can be used, where there is no prior collusion with the rule breaker, to get 1 student who is in trouble out of trouble. If unused by the end of the year, it converts to a 1-2 percent bonus to your final grade on one subject of your choice (ex you can change your PE grade from 80 to 82). Even when found to be a proper use, the deployment of a Salvation Ticket can be vetoed by a committee comprised of elected Student Council members (they have rarely used this power but have in the past been intimidated by the school teachers and the parents into vetoing). If vetoed, your Salvation Credit is saved for either a later deployment or for the extra credit gain. Salvation Credits may NOT be used to exculpate yourself.

To use the Salvation Credit, you must write a 12 page essay alleging that God told you to use it and explain why. The essay is graded and must get at least a passing grade for the Credit to be used.




During a 10th grade school trip your entire class ends up in a hotel in Vietnam after a whole day of touring Ho Chi Min City with the teachers and a tour guide. It is now “free time” and you are all advised not to travel too far from the hotel.

At the hotel, the cool kids are going to take everyone shopping and then have a party. Some of them are bullies though you are traditionally out of reach for their antics because of your strong ties to the teachers.

Instead of joining the class for their shopping and partying, you and 3 others decide to take off on your own and play Age of Empires II at an Internet cafe. You want to test the new knights rush strategy (it ends up working quite well).

When you return yo the hotel some of the bullies come to you and while smirking say: “Ha. You idiots. You missed one helluva party.”




After you return to school things go as normal for a few weeks. And then the news starts to spread.

Apparently while you and your buddies were off gaming… everyone else was at the cool kid’s party and someone somehow ordered a ton of alcoholic drinks. At least half the party got somewhat tipsy while many only drank 1-2. The class neglected to mention this to the teachers so they were unaware.

Weeks later, one of the cool kids casually mentioned it to their parents. The parents were “morally outraged” (there is a no drinking rule at the school, also, it’s “un-Christian”) and call the school. A committee of angry “morally righteous” parents confront the school and demand that the drinkers be disciplined.

The school then began a massive “inquisition” into who was at the party and more importantly, who drank so much as a single sip of the “evil liquors.” After a comprehensive investigation, around 97 percent was found to have partook. It was then decided that they would all be suspended for several weeks (students from honor societies were also kicked out and many awards were revoked). The suspension included long-term heavy cleaning work in addition to mountains of line-writing.

You and your friends were also interrogated but the school found that you and your friends are fine. Internet cafe gaming? Whatevs.




97 percent of the class looks completely miserable now and many have approached you about using your 1 Salvation Ticket to help.

It might not make sense to use it. Whether you use it or not, the vast majority of the class will continue to be resentful towards you and your friends. Even if you used it, it might get vetoed and just by using it, you might somehow damage your existing good relations with the school authorities. You also don’t like the idea of a 12 page essay and you’re not really sure God wants you to use it. Also, how would you even choose which one student to save? It wouldn’t be fair to everyone else.

If you do use it, you need to come up with an ethical system or personal preference for who yo save. Discuss and justify.

I wouldn’t use it in part because I’d want the extra credit and in part because using it would be a thankless thing to do. One person is happy but then everyone else hates me more and the school would raise eyebrows at me. Furthermore, I don’t want to write dishonest essays.
Last edited by Infected Mushroom on Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:21 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Postby Far East Blepia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:26 pm

No for all of the stated reasons.... if I were a Christian, I would not lie about the will of God for my own benefit.

This is an interesting and inventive scenario and I wish that I were endowed with your gift of creativity.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:49 pm

Far East Blepia wrote:No for all of the stated reasons.... if I were a Christian, I would not lie about the will of God for my own benefit.

This is an interesting and inventive scenario and I wish that I were endowed with your gift of creativity.


Thank you!

It’s in part based on real life events.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:17 pm

Would anyone use the Credit to help?

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Postby Kerwa » Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:40 pm

If I were at an evangelical xtian school I would be doing my level best to get expelled.

Also isn’t 10th grade like 15 years old? Kids should be smoking cigarettes and shit at that age, not mincing around Vietnam and writing essays. Nobody cares what your high school teachers think anyway,

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Postby Adamede » Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:45 pm

I know Evangelicals are fucking crazy but I don't think they're crazy enough to say that God wants them to have extra credit, let alone 12 pages worth.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:53 pm

Kerwa wrote:If I were at an evangelical xtian school I would be doing my level best to get expelled.

Also isn’t 10th grade like 15 years old? Kids should be smoking cigarettes and shit at that age, not mincing around Vietnam and writing essays. Nobody cares what your high school teachers think anyway,


I got a hard time for bringing trading card games to school recess because the game had magic and sone cards had demonic themes. I did get the cards back after my parents eventually wrote the school.

Can’t imagine what the school would have done to any 15 year old student seen with a cigarette. A few years after I left, a group of 5 were expelled for dealing.

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Postby South Olpen » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:00 pm

Hell naw. The fuck would I save their ass. They even mocked me for it. Save it for me or my friend.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:20 pm

SOUTH OLPEN wrote:Hell naw. The fuck would I save their ass. They even mocked me for it. Save it for me or my friend.


Oh? Do you mean you might use the credit to help a friend? You might decide on friendship factor?

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:29 pm

What right wing Christian school would go to Vietnam? It’s commie land and it beat America so it’s bad.

It’s more likely they’d go to Central America or something
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:What right wing Christian school would go to Vietnam? It’s commie land and it beat America so it’s bad.

It’s more likely they’d go to Central America or something

God wanted them to go there to find American POWs still being held captive.

It was totally divine revelation and not an indigestion-fueled dream after watching Rambo: First Blood Part II...
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:What right wing Christian school would go to Vietnam? It’s commie land and it beat America so it’s bad.

It’s more likely they’d go to Central America or something


Would you use the Credit?

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:46 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What right wing Christian school would go to Vietnam? It’s commie land and it beat America so it’s bad.

It’s more likely they’d go to Central America or something


Would you use the Credit?

I got board a paragraph into your OP and stopped reading.

I have no clue what you are asking
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:47 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What right wing Christian school would go to Vietnam? It’s commie land and it beat America so it’s bad.

It’s more likely they’d go to Central America or something

God wanted them to go there to find American POWs still being held captive.

It was totally divine revelation and not an indigestion-fueled dream after watching Rambo: First Blood Part II...

I guess pizza, soda, and triple chocolate cake wasn’t the brightest things to eat right before bed
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Would you use the Credit?

I got board a paragraph into your OP and stopped reading.

I have no clue what you are asking


Whether you’d use the credit to get one student out of trouble, after weighing the pros and cons

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:48 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I got board a paragraph into your OP and stopped reading.

I have no clue what you are asking


Whether you’d use the credit to get one student out of trouble, after weighing the pros and cons

What does this credit do?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Would you use the Credit?

I got board a paragraph into your OP and stopped reading.

I have no clue what you are asking

Sounds like it boils down to choosing between giving the troublemakers a Get Out of Jail Free card or exchanging it for extra credit.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:52 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I got board a paragraph into your OP and stopped reading.

I have no clue what you are asking

Sounds like it boils down to choosing between giving the troublemakers a Get Out of Jail Free card or exchanging it for extra credit.

Ok but what does the credit do?
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Postby Adamede » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Sounds like it boils down to choosing between giving the troublemakers a Get Out of Jail Free card or exchanging it for extra credit.

Ok but what does the credit do?

You get a wopping two points. Unless I was near a letter grade not even worth it.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Sounds like it boils down to choosing between giving the troublemakers a Get Out of Jail Free card or exchanging it for extra credit.

Ok but what does the credit do?

Seems to just be a fancy name for a Get Someone Else Out of Jail Free* card.

*You actually have to jump through a lot of hoops.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Whether you’d use the credit to get one student out of trouble, after weighing the pros and cons

What does this credit do?


You can use it to get one student out of trouble, so long as you decide to use it… it’s use doesn’t get vetoed by the school… and you write a passing grade 12 page essay on how it’s God’s will. If the use is unsuccessful, you get it back.

Or you can choose to keep the credit unused for 2 percent extra on a final grade of your pick.

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Postby Adamede » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:17 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What does this credit do?


You can use it to get one student out of trouble, so long as you decide to use it… it’s use doesn’t get vetoed by the school… and you write a passing grade 12 page essay on how it’s God’s will. If the use is unsuccessful, you get it back.

Or you can choose to keep the credit unused for 2 percent extra on a final grade of your pick.

Worst deal in the history deals, ever.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:18 pm

Adamede wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
You can use it to get one student out of trouble, so long as you decide to use it… it’s use doesn’t get vetoed by the school… and you write a passing grade 12 page essay on how it’s God’s will. If the use is unsuccessful, you get it back.

Or you can choose to keep the credit unused for 2 percent extra on a final grade of your pick.

Worst deal in the history deals, ever.


How so?

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Postby Adamede » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:26 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Adamede wrote:Worst deal in the history deals, ever.


How so?

2% extra credit is fucking worthless unless you've got one class that 2% away from anoter grade, and that get out of jail free card can only be used for someone else, and frankly I just hate writing.

Not to mention its pretty disrespectful to Christianity but I'm not a Christian so whatever.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:28 pm

Adamede wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
How so?

2% extra credit is fucking worthless unless you've got one class that 2% away from anoter grade, and that get out of jail free card can only be used for someone else, and frankly I just hate writing.

Not to mention its pretty disrespectful to Christianity but I'm not a Christian so whatever.


2 percent can be the difference from a B+ to an A-\A(from 89 to 91).

Even if it’s in reality just 2 points, an A of any kind just looks better.

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