Brittney Griner in jail

[Ifreann]

I keep telling you that I don't think she was smuggling, so if you think I'm saying that it's normal to get away with smuggling then you're just telling me that you're not paying attention when you're talking to me.

And you are simply denying the facts of the case to support your false narrative.

She was arrested in the airport and the drugs were found in her suitcase. No one but you disputes this.

See, you aren't paying attention. I never disputed that, I have said repeatedly that she was just in possession and should have just been fined. I'd have been better off talking to a wall, at least an echo would be responding to what I actually said.

[Des-Bal]

See, you aren't paying attention. I never disputed that, I have said repeatedly that she was just in possession and should have just been fined. I'd have been better off talking to a wall, at least an echo would be responding to what I actually said.

Okay so you've ceded she brought it through customs and are solely arguing she can't keep track of her schedule 1 drugs so obviously some happened to find their way into her carry-on luggage with no intent on her part?

Also reminder that Marijuana is illegal at the federal level and carries up to a year in jail whereas the Russian charge you're saying they should have thrown at her has a max of 15 days.

[Ethel mermania]

And you are simply denying the facts of the case to support your false narrative.

She was arrested in the airport and the drugs were found in her suitcase. No one but you disputes this.

See, you aren't paying attention. I never disputed that, I have said repeatedly that she was just in possession and should have just been fined. I'd have been better off talking to a wall, at least an echo would be responding to what I actually said.

You have continually disputed that. Seriously? You were saying you didn't believe the Russian version of events.

And what you are asking for is never going to happen in any country on the planet, hence its fantasy land.

[The Two Jerseys]

And you are simply denying the facts of the case to support your false narrative.

She was arrested in the airport and the drugs were found in her suitcase. No one but you disputes this.

See, you aren't paying attention. I never disputed that, I have said repeatedly that she was just in possession and should have just been fined. I'd have been better off talking to a wall, at least an echo would be responding to what I actually said.

She's still bringing illegal drugs into the country, in the eyes of the law that's smuggling.

[Des-Bal]

Do we have the actual text of the law? I've heard "intentionally moving drugs" and "knowing they are illegal" as elements if there's any requirement that she be selling or attempting to sell I'm unaware of it and nothing about the situation would lead me to believe she was.

[Ifreann]

See, you aren't paying attention. I never disputed that, I have said repeatedly that she was just in possession and should have just been fined. I'd have been better off talking to a wall, at least an echo would be responding to what I actually said.

You have continually disputed that. Seriously? You were saying you didn't believe the Russian version of events.

And what you are asking for is never going to happen in any country on the planet, hence its fantasy land.

I don't believe the Russians when they say she was smuggling, not when it seems like possession fits better.

[Des-Bal]

I don't believe the Russians when they say she was smuggling, not when it seems like possession fits better.

Please either adopt Wikipedias definition of smuggling or offer your own.

Smuggling is the illegal transportation of objects, substances, information or people, such as out of a house or buildings, into a prison, or across an international border, in violation of applicable laws or other regulations.

[Ethel mermania]

You have continually disputed that. Seriously? You were saying you didn't believe the Russian version of events.

And what you are asking for is never going to happen in any country on the planet, hence its fantasy land.

I don't believe the Russians when they say she was smuggling, not when it seems like possession fits better.

Your narrative > facts

[Ifreann]

I don't believe the Russians when they say she was smuggling, not when it seems like possession fits better.

Your narrative > facts

The say so of the FSB != facts

[Ethel mermania]

Your narrative > facts

The say so of the FSB != facts

Or Griner, or her agent, or local lawyer. But yeah you are right they all are wrong.

[Des-Bal]

The say so of the FSB != facts

You're calling people FSB bootlickers but denying you disagree about anything.

Please list the facts about this Ethel believes that you do not.

[The Two Jerseys]

Do we have the actual text of the law? I've heard "intentionally moving drugs" and "knowing they are illegal" as elements if there's any requirement that she be selling or attempting to sell I'm unaware of it and nothing about the situation would lead me to believe she was.

I doubt intent to sell really matters, even if it's for personal use you're still breaking customs laws.

[Ifreann]

The say so of the FSB != facts

Or Griner, or her agent, or local lawyer. But yeah you are right they all are wrong.

I don't know how you people do it in Russia, but here in the free world the mere fact of being charged with a crime does not mean that the charge is ipso facto appropriate and accurate. But I guess you've been brainwashed to believe that the state can do no wrong, if they charge someone with smuggling then that person is a smuggler.

[Des-Bal]

I don't know how you people do it in Russia, but here in the free world the mere fact of being charged with a crime does not mean that the charge is ipso facto appropriate and accurate. But I guess you've been brainwashed to believe that the state can do no wrong, if they charge someone with smuggling then that person is a smuggler.

Define smuggler.

At no point has anyone EVEN YOU suggested she didn't possess and transport drugs into Russia the only possible point of disagreement is intent.

[Ethel mermania]

Or Griner, or her agent, or local lawyer. But yeah you are right they all are wrong.

I don't know how you people do it in Russia, but here in the free world the mere fact of being charged with a crime does not mean that the charge is ipso facto appropriate and accurate. But I guess you've been brainwashed to believe that the state can do no wrong, if they charge someone with smuggling then that person is a smuggler.

I am an American, based on your posts so far, I am not sure you are aware of that

In an airport. After getting off an airplane. Again did she buy it in the airport? Thats the only way your fantasy works.

I am not thinking I am the brainwashed one.

[The North Polish Union]

Biden has decided to offer a Russian arms dealer who was imprisoned for giving missiles to the FARC in Colombia as an exchange for Griner

What a monumentally stupid idea. Griner is clearly being used as a pawn for Russian interests, but Biden seems to be willing to give up a knight for the pawn. There is no reason for Biden to offer an actual terrorist freedom in this scenario, particularly one who has been known to supply heavy weaponry to America's enemies. This offer is particular bad given the current military tensions between Russia and the US. Who knows which group the Kremlin will have him arm next?

[Kerwa]

Biden has decided to offer a Russian arms dealer who was imprisoned for giving missiles to the FARC in Colombia as an exchange for Griner

What a monumentally stupid idea. Griner is clearly being used as a pawn for Russian interests, but Biden seems to be willing to give up a knight for the pawn. There is no reason for Biden to offer an actual terrorist freedom in this scenario, particularly one who has been known to supply heavy weaponry to America's enemies. This offer is particular bad given the current military tensions between Russia and the US. Who knows which group the Kremlin will have him arm next?

I’m sure Marc Fogel’s family are delighted with this sudden concern about this sort of thing.

[Katganistan]

Who the fuck cares

Clearly you do or you wouldn't have posted.

[Katganistan]

What makes him so special? Marines aren't exactly rare

One doesn't need to be rare to be special. And America's veneration of military servicemembers is quite prevalent.

Really?

Ask Vietnam vets how special they were treated when they got home.
Ask the ones who are homeless once they came home.
Ask the ones with untreated mental health issues.
Ask the ones who are not getting the health care they deserve.

For a country that supposedly venerates vets we sure treat them like shit, and shouldn't.

[Des-Bal]

I’m sure Marc Fogel’s family are delighted with this sudden concern about this sort of thing.

If Marc Fogel were a white man the media would be up in arms about this.

[Meretica]

This is more about international tensions than it is about Ms. Griner. Cherelle Griner was correct when she called her wife a "political pawn" on GMA. While I think that what Ms. Griner did was wrong, I also believe that how Russia responded was also wrong. If we are to return Viktor Bout to achieve the return of an American citizen, then we ought to maximize our leverage to achieve the freedom of more citizens out of a deal-- Paul Whelan, Marc Fogel, and others come to mind.

[Des-Bal]

Really?

Ask Vietnam vets how special they were treated when they got home.
Ask the ones who are homeless once they came home.
Ask the ones with untreated mental health issues.
Ask the ones who are not getting the health care they deserve.

For a country that supposedly venerates vets we sure treat them like shit, and shouldn't.

Oh a group of people have problems? How unique of them I can imagine no other sotuation where someone is homeless, has untreated mental health issues, or has less medical care than you believe they deserve. We have a volunteer military and lots of military conflicts we don't popularly agree with or fully understand and yet perpetrating or supporting others in perpetrating armed violence against strangers in these conflicts for money is viewed as a positive thing- a point of pride. "Thank you for your service" is the refrain despite the fact that service is something we don't really approve of.

I'm not shitting on the military but yes we do venerate them to an extent that I find odd.

[Elwher]

Really?

Ask Vietnam vets how special they were treated when they got home.
Ask the ones who are homeless once they came home.
Ask the ones with untreated mental health issues.
Ask the ones who are not getting the health care they deserve.

For a country that supposedly venerates vets we sure treat them like shit, and shouldn't.

Oh a group of people have problems? How unique of them I can imagine no other sotuation where someone is homeless, has untreated mental health issues, or has less medical care than you believe they deserve. We have a volunteer military and lots of military conflicts we don't popularly agree with or fully understand and yet perpetrating or supporting others in perpetrating armed violence against strangers in these conflicts for money is viewed as a positive thing- a point of pride. "Thank you for your service" is the refrain despite the fact that service is something we don't really approve of.

I'm not shitting on the military but yes we do venerate them to an extent that I find odd.

I do not find it at all odd to honor those who have voluntarily put their lives on the line to defend our country.

[Des-Bal]

I do not find it at all odd to honor those who have voluntarily put their lives on the line to defend our country.

We haven't declared a war in 80 years. We have geostrategic objectives that require an armed response but almost none of what our military does is defend the country.

[The Phoenix Milita]

You’re supposed to thank us for our service because by our service you didn’t have to get drafted.