Brittney Griner in jail

[Pasong Tirad]

She plays for a Russian team. She has played for a Russian team since 2014.

Playing for another country's team is treason.

When you definitely know how sports work

[The Black Forrest]

Playing for another country's team is treason.

When you definitely know how sports work

I guess it’s time to boot all those Canadians, Russians and Swedes out of all the Hockey teams.

[Vikanias]

Who the fuck cares

[Ethel mermania]

Still trying to see in your link where she said that.

I found exactly the opposite in a quote by her:

“I don’t mean that in any disrespect to our country. My dad was in Vietnam and a law officer for 30 years,” she said. “I wanted to be a cop before basketball. I do have pride for my country.”

"I dont mean any disrespect for the country " is her defense for committing a disrespectful act. actions speak louder than words.

[Ifreann]

I found exactly the opposite in a quote by her:

"I dont mean any disrespect for the country " is her defense for committing a disrespectful act. actions speak louder than words.

A month after that article was published she won Olympic gold for America.

[Ethel mermania]

"I dont mean any disrespect for the country " is her defense for committing a disrespectful act. actions speak louder than words.

A month after that article was published she won Olympic gold for America.

I wouldn't exclude her from the team because of her speech. I dont think consular services should be denied to her because if her speech. She is entitled to the same services everyone else gets from the US government in similar circumstances.

I got two dogs in this conversation

1. I find it ironic
2. Its the hand delivered letter from Biden I object too.

[Ifreann]

A month after that article was published she won Olympic gold for America.

I wouldn't exclude her from the team because of her speech. I dont think consular services should be denied to her because if her speech. She is entitled to the same services everyone else gets from the US government in similar circumstances.

I got two dogs in this conversation

1. I find it ironic
2. Its the hand delivered letter from Biden I object too.

Actions speak louder than words, you said. I would propose that her actions of competing and winning for her country on the international stage speak louder of her patriotism than her words in opposition to the national anthem being played at WNBA matches and similar sporting events.

[Ethel mermania]

I wouldn't exclude her from the team because of her speech. I dont think consular services should be denied to her because if her speech. She is entitled to the same services everyone else gets from the US government in similar circumstances.

I got two dogs in this conversation

1. I find it ironic
2. Its the hand delivered letter from Biden I object too.

Actions speak louder than words, you said. I would propose that her actions of competing and winning for her country on the international stage speak louder of her patriotism than her words in opposition to the national anthem being played at WNBA matches and similar sporting events.

We disagree

[Ifreann]

Actions speak louder than words, you said. I would propose that her actions of competing and winning for her country on the international stage speak louder of her patriotism than her words in opposition to the national anthem being played at WNBA matches and similar sporting events.

We disagree

You disagree that actions speak louder than words? Maybe you should tell that to this guy:

actions speak louder than words.

[Antipatros]

Still trying to see in your link where she said that.

I found exactly the opposite in a quote by her:

“I don’t mean that in any disrespect to our country. My dad was in Vietnam and a law officer for 30 years,” she said. “I wanted to be a cop before basketball. I do have pride for my country.”

I think that the real issue here is that she got on the wrong side of "social issue X". That's unforgivable for some Americans.

[Ethel mermania]

We disagree

You disagree that actions speak louder than words? Maybe you should tell that to this guy:

actions speak louder than words.

About your interpretation of her intent.

[Ifreann]

You disagree that actions speak louder than words? Maybe you should tell that to this guy:

About your interpretation of her intent.

I haven't said anything about her intent.

[Elwher]

I do not believe her opinions or speech should have anything to do with the current situation.

She admits (for whatever reason) to having attempted to bring drugs into Russia, in violation of their law. She was arrested, tried, and will be sentenced. While I disagree strongly with the law if you are going to break a law you have to expect punishment.

All the fuss over her spending a few months in jail before trial is truly funny, given that no one is making any big deal over people who are not famous spending years in pre-trial detention. And I doubt that her conditions were any worse than those at Rikers, for example. If Mr. Biden wants to campaign for those 'wrongfully detained', he can start here at home before worrying about those overseas.

[Ifreann]

I do not believe her opinions or speech should have anything to do with the current situation.

She admits (for whatever reason) to having attempted to bring drugs into Russia, in violation of their law. She was arrested, tried, and will be sentenced. While I disagree strongly with the law if you are going to break a law you have to expect punishment.

Who fucking cares what anyone expects? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? She's being unjustly incarcerated by a totalitarian dictatorship.

All the fuss over her spending a few months in jail before trial is truly funny, given that no one is making any big deal over people who are not famous spending years in pre-trial detention.

Yes they are. Like, even if you aren't directly aware of campaigns to reform bail and outright end the practice of routine pre-trial detention, surely you could just guess that they must exist in some form. All you're doing here is telling us that you do not care about pre-trial detention of people who are not famous.

And I doubt that her conditions were any worse than those at Rikers, for example.

Great choice of an example case. New York City Council voted in 2019 to close Rikers by 2026, slightly ahead of the schedule proposed by De Blasio in 2017.

If Mr. Biden wants to campaign for those 'wrongfully detained', he can start here at home before worrying about those overseas.

The President, as head of the executive branch, is the person in charge of the diplomats who negotiate with foreign governments. Griner's case is much more within his purview than a prison which New York is already planning to close. And if your next post is going to say that he's only getting involved because Griner is famous, then I have bad news for you, he did the same thing for someone who isn't famous.

April 2022, United States frees a Russian drug trafficker in exchange for an average Joe.

[American Legionaries]

I do not believe her opinions or speech should have anything to do with the current situation.

She admits (for whatever reason) to having attempted to bring drugs into Russia, in violation of their law. She was arrested, tried, and will be sentenced. While I disagree strongly with the law if you are going to break a law you have to expect punishment.

Who fucking cares what anyone expects? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? She's being unjustly incarcerated by a totalitarian dictatorship.

All the fuss over her spending a few months in jail before trial is truly funny, given that no one is making any big deal over people who are not famous spending years in pre-trial detention.

Yes they are. Like, even if you aren't directly aware of campaigns to reform bail and outright end the practice of routine pre-trial detention, surely you could just guess that they must exist in some form. All you're doing here is telling us that you do not care about pre-trial detention of people who are not famous.

And I doubt that her conditions were any worse than those at Rikers, for example.

Great choice of an example case. New York City Council voted in 2019 to close Rikers by 2026, slightly ahead of the schedule proposed by De Blasio in 2017.

If Mr. Biden wants to campaign for those 'wrongfully detained', he can start here at home before worrying about those overseas.

The President, as head of the executive branch, is the person in charge of the diplomats who negotiate with foreign governments. Griner's case is much more within his purview than a prison which New York is already planning to close. And if your next post is going to say that he's only getting involved because Griner is famous, then I have bad news for you, he did the same thing for someone who isn't famous.

April 2022, United States frees a Russian drug trafficker in exchange for an average Joe.

As much as you want to push the narrative that Trevor Reed is "just an average joe" that's clearly not true. He was a USMC veteran, the article you linked is headlined by saying he was a "Marine vet" and if you don't think that counts for something above and beyond "average joe" in the American public conciousness, you haven't been paying attention.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference, 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.

Russia being shitty doesn't make the US less shitty. In fact, given the US has the largest prison population of any country and a significant portion of those are drug possession.

[Alcala-Cordel]

As much as you want to push the narrative that Trevor Reed is "just an average joe" that's clearly not true. He was a USMC veteran, the article you linked is headlined by saying he was a "Marine vet" and if you don't think that counts for something above and beyond "average joe" in the American public conciousness, you haven't been paying attention.

What makes him so special? Marines aren't exactly rare

[American Legionaries]

As much as you want to push the narrative that Trevor Reed is "just an average joe" that's clearly not true. He was a USMC veteran, the article you linked is headlined by saying he was a "Marine vet" and if you don't think that counts for something above and beyond "average joe" in the American public conciousness, you haven't been paying attention.

What makes him so special? Marines aren't exactly rare

One doesn't need to be rare to be special. And America's veneration of military servicemembers is quite prevalent.

[Alcala-Cordel]

What makes him so special? Marines aren't exactly rare

One doesn't need to be rare to be special. And America's veneration of military servicemembers is quite prevalent.

As celebrated as they are they really aren't important or special (nor deserving of said celebration).

[Ifreann]

Who fucking cares what anyone expects? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? She's being unjustly incarcerated by a totalitarian dictatorship.


Yes they are. Like, even if you aren't directly aware of campaigns to reform bail and outright end the practice of routine pre-trial detention, surely you could just guess that they must exist in some form. All you're doing here is telling us that you do not care about pre-trial detention of people who are not famous.

Great choice of an example case. New York City Council voted in 2019 to close Rikers by 2026, slightly ahead of the schedule proposed by De Blasio in 2017.

The President, as head of the executive branch, is the person in charge of the diplomats who negotiate with foreign governments. Griner's case is much more within his purview than a prison which New York is already planning to close. And if your next post is going to say that he's only getting involved because Griner is famous, then I have bad news for you, he did the same thing for someone who isn't famous.

As much as you want to push the narrative that Trevor Reed is "just an average joe" that's clearly not true. He was a USMC veteran, the article you linked is headlined by saying he was a "Marine vet" and if you don't think that counts for something above and beyond "average joe" in the American public conciousness, you haven't been paying attention.

As much as you want to push the narrative that Griner is getting special treatment because she's a famous athlete, it's actually entirely normal for governments to try and help their citizens who are detained abroad.

[American Legionaries]

As much as you want to push the narrative that Trevor Reed is "just an average joe" that's clearly not true. He was a USMC veteran, the article you linked is headlined by saying he was a "Marine vet" and if you don't think that counts for something above and beyond "average joe" in the American public conciousness, you haven't been paying attention.

As much as you want to push the narrative that Griner is getting special treatment because she's a famous athlete

That would be none, Iffy...

[Ethel mermania]

About your interpretation of her intent.

I haven't said anything about her intent.

Au contre

..... I would propose that her actions of competing and winning for her country on the international stage speak louder of her patriotism than her words in opposition to the national anthem being played at WNBA matches and similar sporting events...

[Ifreann]

I haven't said anything about her intent.

Au contre

..... I would propose that her actions of competing and winning for her country on the international stage speak louder of her patriotism than her words in opposition to the national anthem being played at WNBA matches and similar sporting events...

A post which says nothing about intent.

[Ethel mermania]

Au contre

..... I would propose that her actions of competing and winning for her country on the international stage speak louder of her patriotism than her words in opposition to the national anthem being played at WNBA matches and similar sporting events...

A post which says nothing about intent.

Seriously? Then what was your point?

[Ifreann]

A post which says nothing about intent.

Seriously? Then what was your point?

Exactly what I said. That while you might think that her words show that she hates America, her actions show patriotism, and someone once told me that actions speak louder than words.