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Brittney Griner in jail

Postby Elwher » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:30 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/sports/basketball/biden-cherelle-griner-brittney-griner-russia.html

I have two thoughts on this.

First, in all the reporting I have seen the one thing conspicuous by its absence has been any statements that she was not in possession of the drugs in question. If she is innocent, why does no one say so; if she is guilty why shouldn't she be prosecuted?

Second, she has been held in jail for about 4 months awaiting trial, which began on Friday. If that is 'wrongfully detained' then why is Mr. Biden and the press not even more concerned with those who are detained in places like Rikers for years before seeing a trial?

The fact that she is a sports star does not and should not grant her any special treatment.

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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:31 pm

If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.

When traveling to another country, you have to obey their laws. Being American doesn't give you a free pass.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:35 pm

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.

When traveling to another country, you have to obey their laws. Being American doesn't give you a free pass.


In a country where 99% of trials end in convictions, one has to doubt the validity of the accusations.
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:38 pm

I say if you want to do drugs, don’t go to a country like Russia where you could get caught and in big trouble and the us can’t strongarm you out.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:40 pm

I don't know if she did the crime or not. Don't trust Russia. But also not too sympathetic.

She was foolish to come to that country if she knew of the geopolitical situation ahead of time. I don't care if the sports team would say you have to go, I'd tell them I'm not going or participating in that specific match/game because I can't trust that Russia won't try to detain me and hold me for ransom or as some bargaining tool against the US- because of war in Ukraine.

They could fire me or wait until I'm available for other matches/events in friendly territory, were I a pro-athlete.

I'd at minimum vet every government of every location I'm going to and their possible motivations or recent actions with regards to their foreign policy. If it's too risky/dangerous and they're effectively hostile to where I'm from, then I'd have to stay clear away from them. You don't go to North Korea for example, if you're American and so on.
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Postby The House of Hamid » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:50 pm

Could ha'been worse, she could have done it in other countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_p ... by_country
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:00 pm

Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference, 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:01 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.


Wait. She slammed the USA a lot and is now begging USA to help her after she was caught smuggling drugs?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:02 pm

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.


Wait. She slammed the USA a lot and is now begging USA to help her after she was caught smuggling drugs?


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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:03 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Wait. She slammed the USA a lot and is now begging USA to help her after she was caught smuggling drugs?


Karma is a beautiful thing

https://www.outsports.com/2020/7/29/213 ... otest-wnba


Wow.
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Postby The House of Hamid » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:04 pm

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.


Wait. She slammed the USA a lot and is now begging USA to help her after she was caught smuggling drugs?


Well, she was lucky in more ways than one to have done it in Russia. Putinistan is on the current sh***list of 'murica and not an ally, and the sentences are comparatively light. Imagine what would happen had she done it in Singapore or Taiwan. :D
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:37 pm

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Karma is a beautiful thing

https://www.outsports.com/2020/7/29/213 ... otest-wnba


Wow.


Yea man. You can’t say shit about the US. MAGA MAGA MAGA.

Seriously man; you are making it sound like she was running heroin.
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Wow.


Yea man. You can’t say shit about the US. MAGA MAGA MAGA.

Seriously man; you are making it sound like she was running heroin.


Cannibis is illegal in Russia. When traveling to another country, you have to obey their laws. Being an American or a famous athlete is not a pass to do illegal stuff. If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Wow.


Yea man. You can’t say shit about the US. MAGA MAGA MAGA.

Seriously man; you are making it sound like she was running heroin.

She brought in a large quantity of vapes. There is no dispute over what happened.

Do I think the law against marijuana is stupid? Yes

However I dont make Russian law. Russia makes no claim to respect personal liberty and advertises bring in drugs we are going to treat you harshly.

There are no surprises here. She played a stupid game and she won her prize fairly. Of all the stupid things for the administration to waste political capital on, this is about the dumbest. So par for the course of the Biden administration
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:53 pm

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yea man. You can’t say shit about the US. MAGA MAGA MAGA.

Seriously man; you are making it sound like she was running heroin.


Cannibis is illegal in Russia. When traveling to another country, you have to obey their laws. Being an American or a famous athlete is not a pass to do illegal stuff. If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.


Again you make it sound like she ran heroin. She had an extract for pain control. The amount in question simply could have been confiscated as intent to sell, etc. is laughable. They could have simply denied her entry and sent her home.

This was more about the US and Ukraine rather then some athlete thinking the rules don’t apply.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:54 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference, 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.

If America would abandon one of its citizens to the custody of their enemies then clearly she is right and America is a shitty country.

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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Cannibis is illegal in Russia. When traveling to another country, you have to obey their laws. Being an American or a famous athlete is not a pass to do illegal stuff. If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.


Again you make it sound like she ran heroin. She had an extract for pain control. The amount in question simply could have been confiscated as intent to sell, etc. is laughable. They could have simply denied her entry and sent her home.

This was more about the US and Ukraine rather then some athlete thinking the rules don’t apply.


If you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. She won hers fair and square.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Wait. She slammed the USA a lot and is now begging USA to help her after she was caught smuggling drugs?


Karma is a beautiful thing

https://www.outsports.com/2020/7/29/213 ... otest-wnba

So your reasons for liking this are purely vindictive?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:58 pm

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Again you make it sound like she ran heroin. She had an extract for pain control. The amount in question simply could have been confiscated as intent to sell, etc. is laughable. They could have simply denied her entry and sent her home.

This was more about the US and Ukraine rather then some athlete thinking the rules don’t apply.


If you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. She won hers fair and square.

Those who love cruelty always call it fairness.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:58 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Cannibis is illegal in Russia. When traveling to another country, you have to obey their laws. Being an American or a famous athlete is not a pass to do illegal stuff. If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.


Again you make it sound like she ran heroin. She had an extract for pain control. The amount in question simply could have been confiscated as intent to sell, etc. is laughable. They could have simply denied her entry and sent her home.

This was more about the US and Ukraine rather then some athlete thinking the rules don’t apply.


We didn't do that, 20 years ago if you were caught bringing in just a couple grams of weed from Amsterdam you were doing time.

War or no war, This is Russia, the notion they would just confiscate it and send her home is naive.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:59 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Fuck her. She carried the drugs in, its fucking Russia, how stupid do you have to be to attempt that?

This is a woman who has claimed multiple times how shitty the USA is. Let her learn the difference, 10 years in a Russian prison seems like justice to me.

If America would abandon one of its citizens to the custody of their enemies then clearly she is right and America is a shitty country.


I have to admit I missed the part if you criticize the country; you are on your own.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:01 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Again you make it sound like she ran heroin. She had an extract for pain control. The amount in question simply could have been confiscated as intent to sell, etc. is laughable. They could have simply denied her entry and sent her home.

This was more about the US and Ukraine rather then some athlete thinking the rules don’t apply.


We didn't do that, 20 years ago if you were caught bringing in just a couple grams of weed from Amsterdam you were doing time.

War or no war, This is Russia, the notion they would just confiscate it and send her home is naive.


*shrugs* Don’t see the value of being spiteful because she dissed the country.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Again you make it sound like she ran heroin. She had an extract for pain control. The amount in question simply could have been confiscated as intent to sell, etc. is laughable. They could have simply denied her entry and sent her home.

This was more about the US and Ukraine rather then some athlete thinking the rules don’t apply.


We didn't do that, 20 years ago if you were caught bringing in just a couple grams of weed from Amsterdam you were doing time.

War or no war, This is Russia, the notion they would just confiscate it and send her home is naive.

I don't know why you're stretching for this characterisation of her as naive. She's a professional athlete who works in Russia, she probably knows the actual realities of that country much better than any smug internet poster asking what she expected.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:06 pm

Heloin wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Karma is a beautiful thing

https://www.outsports.com/2020/7/29/213 ... otest-wnba

So your reasons for liking this are purely vindictive?


I dont like it. I do find it very amusing in an ironic sense. I do see it as a "you think the US is bad, now learn what bad really is" moment.

In a better world she wouldn't have to bring it in she could just buy it there, but this isn't a better world.
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
If you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. She won hers fair and square.

Those who love cruelty always call it fairness.


If a stupid guy with bloody, raw steaks strapped to his body decides to go swimming with Nile crocodiles, would I be cruel if I said that he brought his own horrific death on himself by being so stupid?

Not only does smuggling drugs always have bad idea written all over it, Griner chose to do it in Russia of all places. I have no sympathy for such stupid people. Being American and famous is no excuse for this.
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