American Influence: More Good or Bad?

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Even so, Europe is about as "democratic" as North Korea is if they can't trust their subjects with arms. I mean, the North Koreans even have three political parties to choose from in their elections. Every tyranny in the world these days calls itself a democracy.

you’re above even AL levels of gun nuttery. “European democracies are worse than an actual brutal dictatorship that kills dissidents because the former has gun laws” is the strangest take yet.

[Debate Proxy 1]

I never said that British cultural influence didn't sink in to America and create atrocities. But the fact of the matter is, the Tories fought to protect slavery, and the American Revolution at least shook a deeply entrenched, British-installed power structure.

Hell, if it weren't for American gun laws, the American Indian Movement would have never had any power to get indigenous sovereignty into the national discussion. If they were in Canada doing this, they'd all have gone to prison together instead of finding a sympathetic audience among the voting populace, long the restraint against undemocratic overreach, and ending with only one J6-like unjust imprisonment. The same abuse of F.B.I. power in both cases... but a much fairer fight than anything they'd have ever gotten in Canada even today.

The Canadianization, or Europeanization of our country is responsible for abuses against the people; the will of the people is not. It's a long fight to reverse the European power structure in this country, which is at bottom hostile to all local self-determination, and will not stop with persecuting only one "race." The point of structural racism, and of its European creators, has always been to destroy democracy, and thus to destroy America. When you rob black people and ethnic minorities of arms, you're taking from the same playbook as the Ku Klux Klan, the Confederacy, and the British who built the whole Confederate Navy. That is the face of the modern Democratic Party, stealing weapons from ethnic minorities in order to better oppress them.

When I am outgunned and lack the time to search on the fly, of course there are going to be holes in my arguments now and then, which is my opponents' job to shoot down and the reason I opened this thread. But it does not invalidate every single argument I have made. I have exposed several on the anti-American side already... if they were made in good faith, they would not be slandering the American people and not ignore the continuing practice of colonialism in Europe today.

It is not fair to blame the American people for that which was installed and defended by foreigners. Just admit the Tories were evil. At the base of this America-bashing is an enormous contempt for the American people and the free elections we have long enjoyed, courtesy of the First and Second Amendments.

[Heloin]

If I was your history teacher you’d be failing the class right now and I’d also be watching a bottle of whiskey far too closely.

[Heloin]

I never said that British cultural influence didn't sink in to America and create atrocities. But the fact of the matter is, the Tories fought to protect slavery, and the American Revolution at least shook a deeply entrenched, British-installed power structure.

Do you know who the American colonists were or where they came from?

Hell, if it weren't for American gun laws, the American Indian Movement would have never had any power to get indigenous sovereignty into the national discussion.

“If it weren’t for American colonizers slaughtering and murdering their way across the continent there would be no need for the native people to assert themselves against this colonialism.” Perfect thinking, clearly you are a master of reasoning.

If they were in Canada doing this, they'd all have gone to prison together instead of finding a sympathetic audience among the voting populace,

John Wayne was restrained by security of the Oscars because he wanted to beat a Native American girl to death.

long the restraint against undemocratic overreach, and ending with only one J6-like unjust imprisonment. The same abuse of F.B.I. power in both cases... but a much fairer fight than anything they'd have ever gotten in Canada even today.

That you think fascists should run America is not comparable to the Native American push for Civil Rights.

The Canadianization, or Europeanization of our country is responsible for abuses against the people; the will of the people is not. It's a long fight to reverse the European power structure in this country, which is at bottom hostile to all local self-determination, and will not stop with persecuting only one "race." The point of structural racism, and of its European creators, has always been to destroy democracy, and thus to destroy America. When you rob black people and ethnic minorities of arms, you're taking from the same playbook as the Ku Klux Klan, the Confederacy, and the British who built the whole Confederate Navy. That is the face of the modern Democratic Party, stealing weapons from ethnic minorities in order to better oppress them.

Hwat?

When I am outgunned and lack the time to search on the fly, of course there are going to be holes in my arguments now and then, which is my opponents' job to shoot down and the reason I opened this thread. But it does not invalidate every single argument I have made. I have exposed several on the anti-American side already... if they were made in good faith, they would not be slandering the American people and not ignore the continuing practice of colonialism in Europe today.

You’ve yet to make a single argument found in reality.

It is not fair to blame the American people for that which was installed and defended by foreigners. Just admit the Tories were evil. At the base of this America-bashing is an enormous contempt for the American people and the free elections we have long enjoyed, courtesy of the First and Second Amendments.

If you choose to decide that you are personally attacked by the wrong doings of your country then you actively choose to support those actions.

[Senkaku]

I never said that British cultural influence didn't sink in to America and create atrocities. But the fact of the matter is, the Tories fought to protect slavery, and the American Revolution at least shook a deeply entrenched, British-installed power structure.

What did it shake about the “power structure” in the US itself? It got rid of some trade barriers and viceregal types, but do you know anything at all about the actual colonial-era structure of power on the East Coast?

The point of structural racism, and of its European creators, has always been to destroy democracy, and thus to destroy America.

America, created by British colonists, built an empire and enforced a racially hierarchical social structure within it… and you see this as destroying America, rather than foundational to its power? What democracy are you even speaking of?

When I am outgunned and lack the time to search on the fly,

bro you made a whole thread to discuss your takes about this at length lol

I have exposed several on the anti-American side already...

You’ve exposed nothing except how completely out of touch you are with reality and how massively overconfident you are in your piss-poor understanding of transatlantic history

if they were made in good faith, they would not be slandering the American people and not ignore the continuing practice of colonialism in Europe today.

Saying the American people have any historical agency is slander, got it

It is not fair to blame the American people for that which was installed and defended by foreigners.

It’s been 300 years since independence and we now have a global empire, I think the period in which we could blame foreigners for all our troubles may be over lmao

At the base of this America-bashing is an enormous contempt for the American people

Utterly baseless fantasism rooted in personal resentment. No one in this thread “America-bashing,” except arguably you in your total denial of Americans’ historical agency, and no one seems to have more contempt for American freedom fighters any more recent than the Revolution. You’ve literally written off any modern critiques of American power as a British Empire/EU conspiracy, I don’t know how much more contemptuous (or absurd) you could get.

and the free elections we have long enjoyed, courtesy of the First and Second Amendments.

How long now? I guess you could sorta make a case for the ‘60s…

[Free Algerstonia]

ameriphobia is the greatest crime of the 21st century and is being pushed by sino-iranian twitter bots to gullible leftists

[Sordhau]

The United States of America has been a force for evil throughout it's entire existence.

Then listen to what Thomas Sankara actually said about the American Revolution. He cited it as an inspiration for his own.

Revolutions can be inspiring and still misguided. The American Revolution is actually quite inspiring, it's just a shame the result was an abysmal failure.

[Neon Lunar Eclipse]

Mostly good.

[Infected Mushroom]

American imperialism is a huge problem in the 21st century.

[Neon Lunar Eclipse]

American imperialism is a huge problem in the 21st century.

Don't you mean Russian and Chinese imperialism?