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Should Þorn Be Reintroduced to þe English Language?

No, it's a þorn in my side!
12
16%
Yes, down wiþ French!
19
25%
We should use both 'th' and 'þ' in Modern English.
6
8%
Reject Modern English; Return to Anglo-Saxon!
16
21%
I have no strong feelings about þis whatsoever.
20
26%
Wait, what the Hell is "Ȝ"????
3
4%
 
Total votes : 76

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:59 am

Duvniask wrote:Now let me be a pedantic.

The Archregimancy wrote:Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example 'Ðe faþer laid ðis wreaþ'.

You're right, although it's gotta be spelled like faðer if that's what we're going for (although I think you might've realised this?).


Usually, yes, and usually I would have been more careful to get the details right.

But I'm in bed with Covid right now, so my usual levels of petty pedantry have slipped.

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:01 am

Communist Beijing Must be China wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:WHILEIAPPLAVDTHESVGGESTIONFROMTHEOP
IDONOTTHINKITGOESFARENOVGHTHEREALSO
LVTIONTOOVRORTHOGRAPHIKPROBLEMSISTO
RETVRNTOTHEROMANVIRTVUESOFALLKAPITA
LEPIGRAPHYWITHOUTPVNKTVATIONORTHELE
TTERSEASILYWRITTENWITHVKORSANDWRAPP
INGTEXTONTOTHENEXTLINEFORKONVENIENS


Do you want it as the roman language or the roman alphabet?


Neither. I'm calling for a return to the classical virtues of Roman epigraphic inscriptions.

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Postby Arpasia » Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:11 am

Maybe, if given enough time, I may be able to read all þose words Þat have T and H when it's replaced with a "Þ". But in my opinion, the Þorn looks very much like a keepsake of Þe Old and Middle English language, Þough I will say, Þe letter itself seems a bit odd when it replaces T and H, I Þink Þat the good ol' T and H letters more better when not replaced with the letter Þ.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:40 am

The Archregimancy wrote:WHILEIAPPLAVDTHESVGGESTIONFROMTHEOP
IDONOTTHINKITGOESFARENOVGHTHEREALSO
LVTIONTOOVRORTHOGRAPHIKPROBLEMSISTO
RETVRNTOTHEROMANVIRTVUESOFALLKAPITA
LEPIGRAPHYWITHOUTPVNKTVATIONORTHELE
TTERSEASILYWRITTENWITHVKORSANDWRAPP
INGTEXTONTOTHENEXTLINEFORKONVENIENS

Well that takes me back to studying O Level Latin and trying to understand the inscriptions at Bath.
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Postby Sordhau » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:28 am

The Archregimancy wrote:WHILEIAPPLAVDTHESVGGESTIONFROMTHEOP
IDONOTTHINKITGOESFARENOVGHTHEREALSO
LVTIONTOOVRORTHOGRAPHIKPROBLEMSISTO
RETVRNTOTHEROMANVIRTVUESOFALLKAPITA
LEPIGRAPHYWITHOUTPVNKTVATIONORTHELE
TTERSEASILYWRITTENWITHVKORSANDWRAPP
INGTEXTONTOTHENEXTLINEFORKONVENIENS


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Postby Communist Beijing Must be China » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:37 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Communist Beijing Must be China wrote:
Do you want it as the roman language or the roman alphabet?


Neither. I'm calling for a return to the classical virtues of Roman epigraphic inscriptions.


Ok then.

Arpasia wrote:Maybe, if given enough time, I may be able to read all þose words Þat have T and H when it's replaced with a "Þ". But in my opinion, the Þorn looks very much like a keepsake of Þe Old and Middle English language, Þough I will say, Þe letter itself seems a bit odd when it replaces T and H, I Þink Þat the good ol' T and H letters more better when not replaced with the letter Þ.


If you gotta have the þorn then you gotta have eð. Eth.

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:43 am

Duvniask wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example 'Ðe faþer laid ðis wreaþ'.

You're right, although it's gotta be spelled like faðer if that's what we're going for (although I think you might've realised this?). After all, "father" uses the th- sound of "the", "then", "this" and not the th- sound from "thick, thug, thin, Thor", which is where thorn comes in.

Naturally, in Old English both thorn and eth could be used for both sounds interchangeably, but that is stupid, so let's do the right thing and use them for different sounds - English-speaking people simply cannot fucking help themselves when it comes to making spelling ambiguous.


Fair enough. I just realized ðat I wasn’t using two th- sounds in my previous comment where I suggested ðat we have one sound per each letter.

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Postby Barlyy » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:43 am

I'm not a Native speaker, but I think it would make sense to reintroduce this letter. It would make writing quicker at least, and "th" is very common in English so I think it deserves a letter of its own.
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Postby Haganham » Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:13 am

Would you really write Þ as Þorn though?
We do not write W as dubleyu
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Postby Forsher » Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:46 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example 'Ðe faþer laid ðis wreaþ'.


De favver laid dis wreaf.

Out with the th in all its varieties!
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