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Would you accept the SC position? How would you play it?

Yes (good pay, job security, the power to alter the law, sign me up), I would be fair and objective
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37%
Yes, I would try to informally legislate in accordance with my politics
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41%
No (I am not worthy/the negatives outweigh the positives/it’s a boring job)
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22%
 
Total votes : 119

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:34 am

Kannap wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

It is possible for you to be instantly inserted as a Supreme Court Justice. The American public will magically accept this. Your colleagues on the SC will also accept this.

You’ll receive all the job benefits of being on the SC as well as the power and responsibilities. Do you want it?


I don't want it, but I can't help but feel like your hypothetical doesn't care about my feelings and I'm magically in this position regardless.

Infected Mushroom wrote:You’ll have the clerks and the support system to help you research legal issues etc

If you do accept the job


Sure

Infected Mushroom wrote:would you rule fairly, objectively, and impartially…


I would, in my opinion, rule fairly

Infected Mushroom wrote:or would you allow progressive politics to influence your rulings (focusing on results over the law)


Ruling fairly, of course, means legislating progressive policies from the bench and granting the people civil and human rights that they are entitled to.

Infected Mushroom wrote:hence taking expansive interpretations of what the Constitution says and covers while there was no way in the 18th century that the Founding Fathers would have agreed with you that this was covered?


Who gives a shit what the founding fathers think? They're dead, what're they going to do?

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Postby Forsher » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:35 am

Ifreann wrote:Haunt you?


According to Kannap v. Washington, in a 6-3 decision, Chief Justice Kannap ruled haunting to be unconstitutional.

Chief Justice Kannap was not impeached for this blatant conflict of interest.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:42 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I don't want it, but I can't help but feel like your hypothetical doesn't care about my feelings and I'm magically in this position regardless.



Sure



I would, in my opinion, rule fairly



Ruling fairly, of course, means legislating progressive policies from the bench and granting the people civil and human rights that they are entitled to.



Who gives a shit what the founding fathers think? They're dead, what're they going to do?

Zombie Hamilton will not be pleased


I'll get Zombie Aaron Burr on my side.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:55 am

Kannap wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Zombie Hamilton will not be pleased


I'll get Zombie Aaron Burr on my side.


Honestly, that might work.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:21 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I'll get Zombie Aaron Burr on my side.


Honestly, that might work.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:25 am

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Yes. I'd take the job. And yes, I would be extremely biased about my rulings. People would think i'm a wild card because the US is broken on partisanship. But those who know me would know the trend of my rulings.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Honestly, that might work.

First to chomp brain wins.

Indeed. It works for the politics too. Burr was quite the progressive for his day. Women's rights, racial freedom, expanding the franchise. He was the anti-hamilton of the day in a lot of ways
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:49 am

I would join and pursue my own agenda independent of what the Constitution says.

Everyone else is doing it, so why not me?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:45 am

Ifreann wrote:I'd probably get removed from the bench before I could have too much fun.

2/3rds of congress would have to agree to your removal so it’s unlikely that will happen
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:46 am

I’d totally take the job and all of my decisions will be: “This is the court’s decision, go fuck yourselves”
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:47 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'd probably get removed from the bench before I could have too much fun.

2/3rds of congress would have to agree to your removal so it’s unlikely that will happen

I think I could bring about unprecedented bipartisanship. 8)
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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:2/3rds of congress would have to agree to your removal so it’s unlikely that will happen

I think I could bring about unprecedented bipartisanship. 8)


Rule that congresses salary can only be minimum wage since congress was never meant to be a full time job lol. that might do it.

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Postby Forsher » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 am

Thomasi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think I could bring about unprecedented bipartisanship. 8)


Rule that congresses salary can only be minimum wage since congress was never meant to be a full time job lol. that might do it.


Nah, the GOP will support that because it will keep the underprivileged out of Congress.

Like, when Winston Churchill first entered parliament it had no salary at all. Different country of course but it demonstrates the point, I think.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:52 am

Forsher wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Rule that congresses salary can only be minimum wage since congress was never meant to be a full time job lol. that might do it.


Nah, the GOP will support that because it will keep the underprivileged out of Congress.

Like, when Winston Churchill first entered parliament it had no salary at all. Different country of course but it demonstrates the point, I think.

Besides it’s a moot point as the Constitution states that the salary of the legislature is up to congress alone
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Postby Forsher » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Nah, the GOP will support that because it will keep the underprivileged out of Congress.

Like, when Winston Churchill first entered parliament it had no salary at all. Different country of course but it demonstrates the point, I think.

Besides it’s a moot point as the Constitution states that the salary of the legislature is up to congress alone


There's gotta be a way around that...

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.


Just decide that "by Law" means "by Judge", donezo.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:04 am

I would accept to do the will of my Father.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:07 am

Sundiata wrote:I would accept to do the will of my Father.

Recuse yourself from every case?
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Postby Kannap » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:14 am

Sundiata wrote:I would accept to do the will of my Father.


You're already getting your living Hell on Earth in real life, rather boring imagination if you do the same here.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:32 am

This Thread sounds like Court Packing, :) :rofl: lol.

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Postby Anglecia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:55 am

No. Aside from not being American, I don't think I (or anyone else on here...) knows nearly enough to be qualified to sit on SCOTUS. I do think it has a fascinating history and I love reading about constitutional law though, even as a foreigner.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:56 am

Anglecia wrote:No. Aside from not being American, I don't think I (or anyone else on here...) knows nearly enough to be qualified to sit on SCOTUS. I do think it has a fascinating history and I love reading about constitutional law though, even as a foreigner.

There are no qualifications for SCOTUS. Even non citizens could technically sit on it
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:00 am

Kannap wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I would accept to do the will of my Father.


You're already getting your living Hell on Earth in real life, rather boring imagination if you do the same here.

I have more fun in reality than in my imagination.
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Postby South Olpen » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:02 am

Yep. I'd faithfully execute up to and excluding where it breaks my conscious. ie, I wouldn't rule according to my beliefs.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I would accept to do the will of my Father.

Recuse yourself from every case?

Because the Bible says "Judge not". Little Bible joke.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:54 am

North Jus Intius wrote:I would immediately start acquiring large amounts of cash to have my more conservative fellow justices assassinated, along with most of the GOP, so no, I wouldn't accept the position.

*looms ominously* Granted that this is a hypothetical, you do not want to get into the habit of posting about assassinating real-life people.
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