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Do you support the idea of a Constitutional Convention, and if so, what amendments do you support?

Poll ended at Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:42 pm

1. No Amendments. Brand New Constitution
29
44%
2. Certain Amendments, but otherwise status quo.
14
21%
3. A lot of Amendments, but otherwise status quo.
8
12%
4. No changes at all.
15
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Total votes : 66

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:48 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Hispida wrote:i see these as upsides tbh

How would these be upsides? If you want the United States to crumble, maybe you shouldn't be living in it.


wanting to replace the constitution is not the same as wanting the United States to collapse.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:49 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Floofybit wrote:How would these be upsides? If you want the United States to crumble, maybe you shouldn't be living in it.


wanting to replace the constitution is not the same as wanting the United States to collapse.

don't get me wrong i do want the united states to collapse
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:49 pm

We even had a thread on constitutional amendments which was very fun and interesting, but that was a while ago. How about replacing the senate, with a Council of Governors, a House of Representatives, the President and Vice President of the nation. The Council of Governors can propose laws to the House of Representatives as group of Governors or individually and they administer the laws of the House of Representatives?

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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:51 pm

Hispida wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
wanting to replace the constitution is not the same as wanting the United States to collapse.

don't get me wrong i do want the united states to collapse

What selfish thinking lol
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Hispida wrote:don't get me wrong i do want the united states to collapse

What selfish thinking lol

selfish? it's selfish to want to free most of the world from imperialism? it's selfish to wish for a better life for untold millions in the wake of proletarian revolution? it's selfish to want a better world?
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pm

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Floofybit wrote:I don't see your point. Just because someone is killed for their background in RARE cases doesn't mean it's legal. Don't chance crime and you should be good.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

edit: dang. ninja'd

So it's preventing unwanted sexual activity? :eyebrow:
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pm

Let’s enshrine the right to an education in the constitution.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pm

Floofybit wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

edit: dang. ninja'd

So it's preventing unwanted sexual activity? :eyebrow:

it's killing people after finding out they're LGBT+.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:53 pm

Hispida wrote:
Floofybit wrote:What selfish thinking lol

selfish? it's selfish to want to free most of the world from imperialism? it's selfish to wish for a better life for untold millions in the wake of proletarian revolution? it's selfish to want a better world?

I think it's selfish that you want to destroy the world rather than fixing it.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:53 pm

Hispida wrote:
Floofybit wrote:What selfish thinking lol

selfish? it's selfish to want to free most of the world from imperialism? it's selfish to wish for a better life for untold millions in the wake of proletarian revolution? it's selfish to want a better world?


No, but your deplorable and quite simply meme worthy attitude absolutely is.

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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:54 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Hispida wrote:selfish? it's selfish to want to free most of the world from imperialism? it's selfish to wish for a better life for untold millions in the wake of proletarian revolution? it's selfish to want a better world?

I think it's selfish that you want to destroy the world rather than fixing it.

this is fixing the world though

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Hispida wrote:selfish? it's selfish to want to free most of the world from imperialism? it's selfish to wish for a better life for untold millions in the wake of proletarian revolution? it's selfish to want a better world?


No, but your deplorable and quite simply meme worthy attitude absolutely is.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:54 pm

Hispida wrote:
Floofybit wrote:What selfish thinking lol

selfish? it's selfish to want to free most of the world from imperialism? it's selfish to wish for a better life for untold millions in the wake of proletarian revolution? it's selfish to want a better world?


That’s actually a good thing.

As long as the proletarian revolution doesn’t result in the failures of the Eastern Bloc and several other nations.
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Postby Untecna » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:56 pm

I don't know why it has to be a political argument when we can just look at the Constitution, compare it to every other developed country, and say "Oh fuck we might need to do something" and then agree that we should do something to fix that issue.

It shouldn't even be political, we should just take the route of other developed nations in the world, and throw in plenty of good amendments for the benefit of the people.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:57 pm

Untecna wrote:I don't know why it has to be a political argument when we can just look at the Constitution, compare it to every other developed country, and say "Oh fuck we might need to do something" and then agree that we should do something to fix that issue.

It shouldn't even be political, we should just take the route of other developed nations in the world, and throw in plenty of good amendments for the benefit of the people.


Like a universal education amendment?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:58 pm

Untecna wrote:I don't know why it has to be a political argument when we can just look at the Constitution, compare it to every other developed country, and say "Oh fuck we might need to do something" and then agree that we should do something to fix that issue.

It shouldn't even be political, we should just take the route of other developed nations in the world, and throw in plenty of good amendments for the benefit of the people.


Article V exists, people are absolutely free to utilize it at any point.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:06 pm

Hispida wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I don't see your point. Just because someone is killed for their background in RARE cases doesn't mean it's legal. Don't chance crime and you should be good.

here's the thing

thankfully i live in a state where the lgbt+ panic defense has been banned but i don't trust youngkin and the general assembly to not overturn that law

i want to move out of this shithole as fast as possible. i believe the collapse of the US would be a good thing and personally cannot wait for it to happen

First off, that's horrible and how the fuck is that even still a thing. Second, calling for the collapse of the US is still a bit harsh, don't you think?
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:07 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Hispida wrote:here's the thing

thankfully i live in a state where the lgbt+ panic defense has been banned but i don't trust youngkin and the general assembly to not overturn that law

i want to move out of this shithole as fast as possible. i believe the collapse of the US would be a good thing and personally cannot wait for it to happen

First off, that's horrible and how the fuck is that even still a thing. Second, calling for the collapse of the US is still a bit harsh, don't you think?

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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:09 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:Let’s enshrine the right to an education in the constitution.

Already a law that's never going to be repealed. No use.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:09 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:First off, that's horrible and how the fuck is that even still a thing. Second, calling for the collapse of the US is still a bit harsh, don't you think?

no


Funny, I imagine certain people thinking the same thing on Jan 6th.....

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:11 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Let’s enshrine the right to an education in the constitution.

Already a law that's never going to be repealed. No use.


I know but let’s put into the constitution for good measure.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:11 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Hispida wrote:no


Funny, I imagine certain people thinking the same thing on Jan 6th.....

You had to pull that card…
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:11 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Hispida wrote:no


Funny, I imagine certain people thinking the same thing on Jan 6th.....

yeah but they weren't on my side so i don't like them
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:12 pm

The biggest problem is the Second Amendment (which shouldn’t be a thing if courts are going to take a situational historical endorsement of militias in the 18th century and interpret it to mean broad guarantees that people can permanently own handguns capable repeating and automatic fire).

Everything else is fine. There’s a lot of anger in US society and the gridlock system fueling bipartisan hatred helps the people redirect that in a healthy way. It’s preferable to people actually fighting it out. Instead they can elect politicians to provoke and poke at each other, frustrating each other at every turn, and launching theatrical antics like filibusters and ad hominems.

This is the American political culture. After Trump, you can also expect (now that precedent had been set) for every other president to start suing the electoral committees and states should they fail to get re-elected. This is considered debatably good sport in the US system while in many other places, it’s not.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:12 pm

Floofybit wrote:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

edit: dang. ninja'd

So it's preventing unwanted sexual activity? :eyebrow:


the trans panic defense is the more questionable of the two.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:13 pm

Hispida wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Funny, I imagine certain people thinking the same thing on Jan 6th.....

yeah but they weren't on my side so i don't like them


At least you are willing to admit that you are nothing more then a giant hypocrite on this.
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