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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:59 pm

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And yet you can walk into any Walmart, buy rat poison with no ID and no hassle, consume it and be dead in 5 minutes.


I'm pretty certain nobody is getting high on rat poison, so I don't see the relation.

That's because you lack imagination.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:00 pm

It’s simple. If it’s illegal, you cannot regulate it. People can sell shitty weed and people can overdose, and you have zero control or oversight. Making something illegal does not make that many people stop doing it. It’s like alcohol prohibition. You just increase crime. On the other hand, people won’t purchase it from shady-ass people in a back alley if they don’t have to. I’m all for rehabilitation for people who need it, but recreational weed isn’t horrible in small doses on occasion.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:03 pm

Luziyca wrote:All in all a good thing: if nothing else, the government can use the revenues generated from its associated sin taxes/licensing fees/et cetera to help invest in things that would serve the benefit of the citizens. I think the main problem right now is we're currently having an oversupply of cannabis dispensaries here, but the free market will probably take care of that over time, and things will settle to a good equilibrium. I think.

I have yet to try it, but I do want to try a fuckton of pot brownies at some point. Just am too lazy to order them and what not.

Do not try 'a fuckton of brownies'. Try a little bit of brownie, wait about an hour or so, see how you feel. If you feel you want the ride to go higher, try a little bit more brownie and wait. Once you get an idea of how you feel on how much edible, then you can aim for your target.

If you try 'a fuckton of brownies' without a concept of what 'fuckton' means, you can end up in a kind of shitty place wishing it would all end instead of really enjoying your day. You're going to experience something for the first time, you don't want to go straight to 11 without even knowing how it feels or how you'll react to it. It will not be a good time.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:04 pm

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I'm pretty certain nobody is getting high on rat poison, so I don't see the relation.


That's what makes it even more absurd. You can legally obtain something that does absolutely nothing but kill you but you can't obtain something that makes you feel happy and will never kill you.

Drug prohibition isn't about safety, it's a hangover of Puritan nonsense of all forms of pleasure being sinful. Even legalization advocates lean heavily into the medical benefits as if "I want to get fucking high" isn't a valid reason in and of itself.


Rat poison also kills rats, hence the name. And as far as "I want to get fucking high" by and large that isn't seen as a valid reason by our society.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:05 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:It’s simple. If it’s illegal, you cannot regulate it. People can sell shitty weed and people can overdose, and you have zero control or oversight. Making something illegal does not make that many people stop doing it. It’s like alcohol prohibition. You just increase crime. On the other hand, people won’t purchase it from shady-ass people in a back alley if they don’t have to. I’m all for rehabilitation for people who need it, but recreational weed isn’t horrible in small doses on occasion.

You can't really overdose, just a point of order.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:08 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luziyca wrote:All in all a good thing: if nothing else, the government can use the revenues generated from its associated sin taxes/licensing fees/et cetera to help invest in things that would serve the benefit of the citizens. I think the main problem right now is we're currently having an oversupply of cannabis dispensaries here, but the free market will probably take care of that over time, and things will settle to a good equilibrium. I think.

I have yet to try it, but I do want to try a fuckton of pot brownies at some point. Just am too lazy to order them and what not.

Do not try 'a fuckton of brownies'. Try a little bit of brownie, wait about an hour or so, see how you feel. If you feel you want the ride to go higher, try a little bit more brownie and wait. Once you get an idea of how you feel on how much edible, then you can aim for your target.

If you try 'a fuckton of brownies' without a concept of what 'fuckton' means, you can end up in a kind of shitty place wishing it would all end instead of really enjoying your day. You're going to experience something for the first time, you don't want to go straight to 11 without even knowing how it feels or how you'll react to it. It will not be a good time.


You beat me to giving the same advice.

Personally I wouldn't recommend edibles for a first experience. The experience can be stronger and last longer and be a little more unpredictable. A quick puff on a vaporiser would be my recommendation.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:18 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
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That's what makes it even more absurd. You can legally obtain something that does absolutely nothing but kill you but you can't obtain something that makes you feel happy and will never kill you.

Drug prohibition isn't about safety, it's a hangover of Puritan nonsense of all forms of pleasure being sinful. Even legalization advocates lean heavily into the medical benefits as if "I want to get fucking high" isn't a valid reason in and of itself.


Rat poison also kills rats, hence the name. And as far as "I want to get fucking high" by and large that isn't seen as a valid reason by our society.


The intoxication of alcohol is much more dangerous then the intoxication of cannabis. When it comes to violent crimes, there is really no comparison. Alcohol causes way more ills in our society, up to including death
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:22 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
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Rat poison also kills rats, hence the name. And as far as "I want to get fucking high" by and large that isn't seen as a valid reason by our society.


The intoxication of alcohol is much more dangerous then the intoxication of cannabis. When it comes to violent crimes, there is really no comparison. Alcohol causes way more ills in our society, up to including death


Alcohol is quite often involved in accidental house fires. People get home from the pub, decide to cook something, fall asleep half way through.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:28 pm

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
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The intoxication of alcohol is much more dangerous then the intoxication of cannabis. When it comes to violent crimes, there is really no comparison. Alcohol causes way more ills in our society, up to including death


Alcohol is quite often involved in accidental house fires. People get home from the pub, decide to cook something, fall asleep half way through.


Right. The issue that comes from legalization is that people that don’t consume cannabis are going to want ultra low potency limits. As I said earlier, I have a condition that causes me to lack a certain protein that prevents tumor growth. It is genetic. This protein is typically located on chromosome 17. There is no currently approved medicine for adults with neurofibromatosis type I. I can already tell that the THC is working because I didn’t have an explosion of tumor growth when I reached my mid 20s. Some tumors grew, but as bad as some other people got.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:45 pm

I am generally alright with marijuana except when I smell it...that stuff is nasty.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:01 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luziyca wrote:All in all a good thing: if nothing else, the government can use the revenues generated from its associated sin taxes/licensing fees/et cetera to help invest in things that would serve the benefit of the citizens. I think the main problem right now is we're currently having an oversupply of cannabis dispensaries here, but the free market will probably take care of that over time, and things will settle to a good equilibrium. I think.

I have yet to try it, but I do want to try a fuckton of pot brownies at some point. Just am too lazy to order them and what not.

Do not try 'a fuckton of brownies'. Try a little bit of brownie, wait about an hour or so, see how you feel. If you feel you want the ride to go higher, try a little bit more brownie and wait. Once you get an idea of how you feel on how much edible, then you can aim for your target.

If you try 'a fuckton of brownies' without a concept of what 'fuckton' means, you can end up in a kind of shitty place wishing it would all end instead of really enjoying your day. You're going to experience something for the first time, you don't want to go straight to 11 without even knowing how it feels or how you'll react to it. It will not be a good time.

You're probably right: I just wanted to be sure that the edibles are, to quote that meme, not "ain't shit," but I think just having like a couple would be reasonable instead of like a couple dozen.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:31 am

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I actually have a different thought. With taxes, marijuana would be more expensive and certainly the dealers would have lower prices because of the traffic, so it would end up, in my view, would feed even more the coffers of criminal organizations. Long-term damage can be irreversible.

People will pay for convenience. A few extra dollars for a bag of weed is worth it to be able to get it from a store instead of having to conduct a criminal transaction with a drug dealer.

But now my weed is sold by some yuppie boy who thinks he’s cool and the humble smack pusher is out of a job.

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:34 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Do not try 'a fuckton of brownies'. Try a little bit of brownie, wait about an hour or so, see how you feel. If you feel you want the ride to go higher, try a little bit more brownie and wait. Once you get an idea of how you feel on how much edible, then you can aim for your target.

If you try 'a fuckton of brownies' without a concept of what 'fuckton' means, you can end up in a kind of shitty place wishing it would all end instead of really enjoying your day. You're going to experience something for the first time, you don't want to go straight to 11 without even knowing how it feels or how you'll react to it. It will not be a good time.

You're probably right: I just wanted to be sure that the edibles are, to quote that meme, not "ain't shit," but I think just having like a couple would be reasonable instead of like a couple dozen.

We’ve all been there and decided to eat the rest of the brownie like an idiot but do know, you generally only eat like half of one.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:15 am

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People will pay for convenience. A few extra dollars for a bag of weed is worth it to be able to get it from a store instead of having to conduct a criminal transaction with a drug dealer.

But now my weed is sold by some yuppie boy who thinks he’s cool and the humble smack pusher is out of a job.


Your joke is truer than you think. In New Jersey one of the things that legalization was sold on was "social justice ". "Blacks are the victims of marijuana laws so this will provide economic relief for the community ", the legislation is written so the cost getting a retail license, building a facility, staffing training and process makes it cost 10 million dollars just to get the door opened. Yes because every poor disenfranchised person has access to that kind of money to invest.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:34 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:But now my weed is sold by some yuppie boy who thinks he’s cool and the humble smack pusher is out of a job.


Your joke is truer than you think. In New Jersey one of the things that legalization was sold on was "social justice ". "Blacks are the victims of marijuana laws so this will provide economic relief for the community ", the legislation is written so the cost getting a retail license, building a facility, staffing training and process makes it cost 10 million dollars just to get the door opened. Yes because every poor disenfranchised person has access to that kind of money to invest.

Some of the best jokes have a hint of truth to them. That and I can’t stand the often white middle class asses who treat pot like a status symbol whose only experience smoking pot is legalised.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:37 am

Heloin wrote:
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Your joke is truer than you think. In New Jersey one of the things that legalization was sold on was "social justice ". "Blacks are the victims of marijuana laws so this will provide economic relief for the community ", the legislation is written so the cost getting a retail license, building a facility, staffing training and process makes it cost 10 million dollars just to get the door opened. Yes because every poor disenfranchised person has access to that kind of money to invest.

Some of the best jokes have a hint of truth to them. That and I can’t stand the often white middle class asses who treat pot like a status symbol whose only experience smoking pot is legalised.

If you don't buy it at 2 am in the middle of Washington Square Park is it even real?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:41 am

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People will pay for convenience. A few extra dollars for a bag of weed is worth it to be able to get it from a store instead of having to conduct a criminal transaction with a drug dealer.

But now my weed is sold by some yuppie boy who thinks he’s cool and the humble smack pusher is out of a job.

The rise of the yuppie is a regrettable downside, but one that I think can be managed.

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Postby Sundiata » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:36 am

I support it for medical use.
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:39 am

Sundiata wrote:I support it for medical use.

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Postby Page » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:51 am

Sundiata wrote:I support it for medical use.


And why not just for having fun?
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:00 pm

Page wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I support it for medical use.


And why not just for having fun?


Fun with drugs = psychological problems, heart problems, hallucinations, hospitalizations, death.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:02 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
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And why not just for having fun?


Fun with drugs = psychological problems, heart problems, hallucinations, hospitalizations, death.

Source on deaths from marijuana?
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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Fun with drugs = psychological problems, heart problems, hallucinations, hospitalizations, death.

Source on deaths from marijuana?

I'm saying drugs in general
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:07 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Source on deaths from marijuana?

I'm saying drugs in general


True, but Deaths from meth or heroin are not material to marijuana legalization
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:I'm saying drugs in general


True, but Deaths from meth or heroin are not material to marijuana legalization


yes, but the answer was highlighting all drugs instead of just one.
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