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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:15 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:So much for the general welfare clause.


Would it be constitutional to force women to dress in burqa-like clothes provided that the reasoning was not religious but pertained to thinking it would stop women from being raped?

You can frame any tyranny as pertaining to welfare.


as clothing has been defined as speech. I would think The first amendment would cover a successful challenge to a burka for all law.
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:16 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
I said keep respect

If you have a complaint with the post, post it in moderation. While I am not a mod, i am not seeing how page broke any site rule.


called me a bad person just because I don't have the same vision as him
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:19 am

michael jordan doesn't like drugs, so i don't like drugs
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:24 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:If you have a complaint with the post, post it in moderation. While I am not a mod, i am not seeing how page broke any site rule.


called me a bad person just because I don't have the same vision as him

Moderation is the appropriate place for the complaint
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 am

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:All drugs should be legal imo. Marijuana especially because it's cool and not very dangerous, but punishing people for being addicted to more dangerous things seems kinda pointless and counterproductive.


Have you ever thought about how many families are destroyed by drugs? how many die from drugs? in how many are hospitalized because of drugs?

Significantly less if we stopped imprisoning them. Some of the countries with the lowest addiction rates have centers where people have a safe environment to do drugs that also double as rehab facilities.
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:30 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
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called me a bad person just because I don't have the same vision as him

Moderation is the appropriate place for the complaint

OK
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:53 pm

My wife has been using medical cannabis for several years; recently it was made legal for smoking. I confess I was skeptical (who knew) but it has helped her chronic pain immensely. There is absolutely no reason why it should not be made legal for any use, with reasonable regulation (DWI, age limits, etc.)

Also every person (disproportionately Blacks) currently in jail, on probation or otherwise under legal disability for former crimes involving pot should be given well-paying jobs with benefits in the legal cannabis industry.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:03 pm

I support it because overall, it is less than harmful than alcohol. I also have something called Neurofibromatosis-I, it has multiple symptoms, the main one is that I lack a protein that prevents tumor growth. It’s located on chromosome 17, meaning it’s literally in my
DNA. I need the type of stuff that you’re afraid of and what anti-cannabis folks want to ban. I need high levels of THC in my system because it supplements the protein that prevents tumor growth
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:06 pm

I dislike drugs on principal but w/e, it's not any worse than alcohol and we still allow that.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:05 pm

Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:13 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.


You might could look into the growing body of medical research that contradicts your conclusion rather definitively. But you do you.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:30 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.


Making it illegal definitely causes more harm than good. Also, alcohol is a larger contributor to violence, death, vehicle accidents, vehicular homicide, rape, theft and well death,
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:31 pm

Big Bad Blue wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.


You might could look into the growing body of medical research that contradicts your conclusion rather definitively. But you do you.



Being that he is 15, he should abstain from all intoxicating substances.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:57 pm

It should be illegal.

Everyone has a choice. Will they become addicts and break the law? Or will they follow the law and be healthy? This is a more logical system than the government turning into drug dealers themselves, profiting in taxes and then telling people they are doing the right thing.

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Postby Western Theram » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:55 pm

It never should’ve been illegal in the first place, plus if it’s legal it’s regulated and you know what you’re getting rather than leaving it in the hands of sketchy drug dealers who will do anything to get more money, including lacing thier weed.
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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:57 pm

Western Theram wrote:It never should’ve been illegal in the first place, plus if it’s legal it’s regulated and you know what you’re getting rather than leaving it in the hands of sketchy drug dealers who will do anything to get more money, including lacing thier weed.


Well, since it is objectively not that harmful of a product, if at all (I highly doubt that it is any danger to folks, you can't even OD on it)....I'm in agreement that the ban should never have happened, same as with Prohibition and the Volstead Act.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:41 pm

Oh man, big fan. Couldn't be happier.

The place I get weed now has posted hours, there's an ATM in the lobby. I don't have to go there and just 'hangout for half an hour' so that it 'doesn't seem suspicious.' I don't have to talk to my dealer about his special breed of cat or their other side hustle of filling vending machines. I don't have to carefully calculate if I'm saying too much or too little. When they bring out different strands I don't have to fake like I know which one is 'what I want'. I know if it's an indica or sativa and not 'this will go straight to your dome' vs 'this'll give you couchlock.'

The edibles tell you how potent they are on the package instead of your friend telling you they 'put a little extra in these brownies...' I can get concentrate in a little pen so I'm not going through a whole process if I just want a little head change.

I can just get high before a movie without planning it out like it's a heist. My state everything has to be tested so I know potency and purity up front. I don't call them 'my dealer' anymore, it's 'budtender' which is a dumb name but still feels better than 'dealer'. I get to have a short perfunctory conversation with them, they're usually really helpful because there's a tip jar.

Police aren't picking up people in overpatrolled areas for an crime whose worst effects were a product of it being illegal. The state is making money hand over fist instead of spending it chasing me down. What a better deal to have me gleefully skip on down to the dispensary and hand them money when they use to spend multiple times that trying to catch me sneak a joint before a movie.

Really it's all pluses.
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Postby Page » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:50 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.


And yet you can walk into any Walmart, buy rat poison with no ID and no hassle, consume it and be dead in 5 minutes.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:53 pm

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Western Theram wrote:It never should’ve been illegal in the first place, plus if it’s legal it’s regulated and you know what you’re getting rather than leaving it in the hands of sketchy drug dealers who will do anything to get more money, including lacing thier weed.


Well, since it is objectively not that harmful of a product, if at all (I highly doubt that it is any danger to folks, you can't even OD on it)....I'm in agreement that the ban should never have happened, same as with Prohibition and the Volstead Act.

It's not that harmful overall, but most of why we don't know what it does is because it's only recently been studied, so we're going to learn a lot of good and bad over the next decade or so.

Cancer is a big back and forth because...well because mostly there just isn't enough research yet so it either fights cancer or causes cancer or fights certain cancers and encourages others.

Plus, while weed can't really kill you without herculean effort you could do something dumb while high like try and pet that angry looking mountain lion...I dunno.

It is not without its risks, we should always be upfront about that. But they are manageable risks and we accept bigger ones regularly.

There's the possible association with schizophrenia mostly in already at risk groups.

But you really shouldn't be doing it when your brain is still forming n'shit. It's not great. I'd like to say that's why I didn't start until I was 25 but the reality is I was just a square up to that point.

And also give the people who don't want to do it room. That's all we should ever have been hoping for, not that everyone smokes but the people who don't don't care because we leave them alone. That's probably a pipe dream, I've smoked with way too many marijuana evangelists...just the worst.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:54 pm

Page wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.


And yet you can walk into any Walmart, buy rat poison with no ID and no hassle, consume it and be dead in 5 minutes.


I'm pretty certain nobody is getting high on rat poison, so I don't see the relation.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:55 pm

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The Orwell Society wrote:Marijuana, except in its medical uses, should be outlawed. It brings much more harm than good, I don't care what people say.


You might could look into the growing body of medical research that contradicts your conclusion rather definitively. But you do you.

Well, he doesn't care what people say. Literally stating he'll hear no evidence to the contrary. So...kind of a waste really.
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:56 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Big Bad Blue wrote:
You might could look into the growing body of medical research that contradicts your conclusion rather definitively. But you do you.



Being that he is 15, he should abstain from all intoxicating substances.


There's a time and a place for everything; and it's called college. That being said I know a few under-20s who consume said substances.
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Postby Page » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:57 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Page wrote:
And yet you can walk into any Walmart, buy rat poison with no ID and no hassle, consume it and be dead in 5 minutes.


I'm pretty certain nobody is getting high on rat poison, so I don't see the relation.


That's what makes it even more absurd. You can legally obtain something that does absolutely nothing but kill you but you can't obtain something that makes you feel happy and will never kill you.

Drug prohibition isn't about safety, it's a hangover of Puritan nonsense of all forms of pleasure being sinful. Even legalization advocates lean heavily into the medical benefits as if "I want to get fucking high" isn't a valid reason in and of itself.
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:59 pm

All in all a good thing: if nothing else, the government can use the revenues generated from its associated sin taxes/licensing fees/et cetera to help invest in things that would serve the benefit of the citizens. I think the main problem right now is we're currently having an oversupply of cannabis dispensaries here, but the free market will probably take care of that over time, and things will settle to a good equilibrium. I think.

I have yet to try it, but I do want to try a fuckton of pot brownies at some point. Just am too lazy to order them and what not.
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