"What are your pronouns?"

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

it's not unpronounceable, but Latine is definitely better in terms of both aesthetic and function-- I don't think calling Latinx "offensive" makes much sense though unless you're talking about the kind of people who want to enforce its exclusive use, it's only natural Anglos would come up with a slightly different word at first

I'm more partial to Latin@

I'm sorry, but as a Spanish speaker, I really dislike these terms. I find them to be culturally-imperialist constructs. Like Spanish uses gendered words; forcing the gender-neutral English grammar onto Spanish is cultural imperialism like when the English/Spanish/Portuguese suppressed the speaking of Native American languages. The solution that would work is for terms to be developed by native Spanish speakers in countries where Spanish is the primary language. Further, many Latinos consider "Latinx" to be a racial slur, especially among the Latino community in the USA. If someone in, say, Colombia (or choose another country with Spanish as a primary language) makes a new word, we ought to use that.

[Thomasi]

More like SJWs though its a great way for employers to weed out applicants who would be calling HR every day over being "offended" by a joke or conversation. Literally if someone put other or anything than Male/Female or man/woman they wouldn't be hired.

Be sure and tell the voters how you support workplace discrimination.

It's not discrimination, if you're too offended by being forced to put "sex" male/female on your job application then you're too sensitive to be in a work place environment.

[Ifreann]

Be sure and tell the voters how you support workplace discrimination.

It's not discrimination, if you're too offended by being forced to put "sex" male/female on your job application then you're too sensitive to be in a work place environment.

It definitely is discrimination. You are describing how you think non-binary people should be forced out of the workplace because you believe some stupid stereotype about them.

[Thermodolia]

Okay so I was half right, Latinx is an unpronousable word so they don't use it but they do have Latine which is used for Gender Neutral.

it's not unpronounceable, but Latine is definitely better in terms of both aesthetic and function-- I don't think calling Latinx "offensive" makes much sense though unless you're talking about the kind of people who want to enforce its exclusive use, it's only natural Anglos would come up with a slightly different word at first

Latinx is unpronounceable in Spanish.

Latine is far more appropriate than Latinx (which btw the majority of Spanish speakers hate)

[Islamic Essarn]

Latin-equis: Meh.

Latin-ex: Ugh.

La-tinks: *throws an angry pregnant street cat at your face*

I want to see that one for "Womxn" instead.
liberals are really good at inserting some random x somewhere where it makes no fucking sense

Women is not a gender neutral term known one is trying to put it there.

[Islamic Essarn]

It's not discrimination, if you're too offended by being forced to put "sex" male/female on your job application then you're too sensitive to be in a work place environment.

It definitely is discrimination. You are describing how you think non-binary people should be forced out of the workplace because you believe some stupid stereotype about them.

There should be know gender on the job application anyway.

[Australian rePublic]

The issue with "they/them" pronouns is that they only work in languages which allow for gender neutrality. Languages such as Spanish, Arabic, French, Hebrew, Italian, etc. Some of those on that list are amongst the most widely spoken in the world. By demanding that a significant proportion of the world refer to you in a way that's impossible in their language is well, yea, it ain't gonna get you anywhere. Unless you specifically include Arabic, French and Spanish, amongst others (which so happen to be amongst the largest languages in the world), and if you do exclude them, then really, what's the point?

It's on Spanish speaking trans folks to figure out how to do pronouns in Spanish, Arabs to figure it out in Arabic, etc. They works perfectly fine in English. Nobody is responsible for a universal solution.

You have no idea how these languages work, do you???

[The Ice States]

I don't really see what's so hard about using people's preferred pronouns. Personally, I prefer to use "they/them" over neopronouns because it's easier to remember, but only as long as that person's fine with it.

Even if you don't understand why someone would use certain pronouns, it isn't about you. It's pretty easy not to be an asshole and just refer to them using the pronouns they're comfortable with.

Exactly.

[Diarcesia]

I don't really see what's so hard about using people's preferred pronouns. Personally, I prefer to use "they/them" over neopronouns because it's easier to remember, but only as long as that person's fine with it.

Even if you don't understand why someone would use certain pronouns, it isn't about you. It's pretty easy not to be an asshole and just refer to them using the pronouns they're comfortable with.

Exactly.

Change is scary.

[Victorious Decepticons]

She/Her.

I've only knowingly met visibly trans people in passing, and except for once or twice, we didn't say a word to each other, much less discuss pronouns. I really doubt that in real life, it'll ever be a serious issue for me simply due to lack of contact. I think I could still count all of the encounters without using up all of my fingers.

I don't really see what's so hard about using people's preferred pronouns.

Remembering them if there are no unambiguous visual cues. Online, everyone is "he" unless it says something else in their sig, and I've bothered to look at said sig right before I posted in reference to them. Heck, even all of my RP characters are "he" specifically because I don't want to have to remember an extra detail about them. I finally have one "she" in the mix. She's gonna get misgendered one of these days for sure.

Offline/IRL, if I haven't met you (general "you") about 50 times and you are of no seriously special significance to me, I don't remember your name. I don't remember your face. I only remember your species because Earth only has one two-legged, generally hairless, species that talks. I sure the hell am NOT going to remember any unexpected pronouns. In person, you will be referred to according to what gender you visually present as (or, if you're plainly going for a different one, then I'll be courteous and use the one you seem to be aiming for.).

So, HUMAN, try not to be offended when I don't remember you, your pronouns, your name, or your face either - and don't think you're somehow special enough to be a Magical Exception. Otherwise, you'll simply be downgraded to the category of someone I don't talk to...or worse. I have no patience for people who think they're precious, or who don't listen when I say I can't remember that sort of stuff and then have the gall to put on the rage routine when it turns out I'm telling the truth and actually don't remember it - and they're really not an exception. No more interaction, problem solved!

[West Bromwich Holme]

Where I live, pronouns are less of an issue than a cost-of-living crisis, petrol/diesel prices, council spending decisions which are divisive, lack of electric vehicle charging points, broken streetlights and openly corrupt government; Boris Johnson is mocked and hated here. In fact, it's not even a big issue really.

[Salus Maior]

Times like these I cant help but hate the Nazis for destroying all the research around Transexuality during the world war.

I doubt there was anything unique among the stuff they burned.

It's not as if there aren't any more trans people.

[Senkaku]

Times like these I cant help but hate the Nazis for destroying all the research around Transexuality during the world war.

I doubt there was anything unique among the stuff they burned.

It's not as if there aren't any more trans people.

Decades of deeply researched original scholarship by many people at the dawn of modern industrial mass society, just as contemporary concepts of gender identity and sexuality were forming, and you don’t think there was anything unique? Really?

[Armeattla]

It mostly threw us back a decade or two.

I wrote my seminar essay about Magnus Hirschfeld and the Autodaphe of the 10th May 1933. (full title was "Magnus Hirscheld and his work: The national socialist bookburnings and their consequences for research and the trans community")

The most important things survived one way or another, as some of the doctors and surgeons managed to flee to Britain or the USA, where they usually continued their work.
Hirschfeld also gave plenty of presentation, especially in the USA, on his world trip before his impromptu self-exile. There is a reason why he was called the "Einstein of sex". Such presentations also included about his transvestite thesis, which was explicitly given as basis when the "transsexual thesis" became big in the USA.

The book burnings pretty much resulted in a throwback of research, as well as a two-decade halt for research regarding trans people.

[Senkaku]

It mostly threw us back a decade or two.

I wrote my seminar essay about Magnus Hirschfeld and the Autodaphe of the 10th May 1933. (full title was "Magnus Hirscheld and his work: The national socialist bookburnings and their consequences for research and the trans community")

The most important things survived one way or another, as some of the doctors and surgeons managed to flee to Britain or the USA, where they usually continued their work.
Hirschfeld also gave plenty of presentation, especially in the USA, on his world trip before his impromptu self-exile. There is a reason why he was called the "Einstein of sex". Such presentations also included about his transvestite thesis, which was explicitly given as basis when the "transsexual thesis" became big in the USA.

The book burnings pretty much resulted in a throwback of research, as well as a two-decade halt for research regarding trans people.

Why are you talking about an entire field being set back by a decade or two like it's insignificant? If a hard field like semiconductors were set back by two decades, we'd be living in a completely different society. Why is the setback of research into gender and sexuality implicitly considered insignificant, especially given how much social change the advancement of those fields' cutting edges into the popular consciousness has changed Western society in the last two decades?

[Armeattla]

Because some of the most important gains survived.
Mostly surgical procedures, cosmetical procedures as well as early endocrinological therapy.
Alot of the things used for trans people at that time were results of war-related cosmetical surgery.

Also Magnus Hirschfeld was still far off in alot of aspects, the term "transvestites" included both trans people as well as crossdressers, and is a far shot from the term transgender today.
Usually those who we now describe as transgender (or previously as transsexual) were usually called "radical/extreme transvestites".

Also, it is not certain whether those gains would have made their way into the popular consciousness, even back then homosexuality and other things were commonly seen as "deviant" or a "jewish plot of degeneracy". (both of which are still heavily present today)

[Salus Maior]

I doubt there was anything unique among the stuff they burned.

It's not as if there aren't any more trans people.

Decades of deeply researched original scholarship by many people at the dawn of modern industrial mass society, just as contemporary concepts of gender identity and sexuality were forming, and you don’t think there was anything unique? Really?

You're acting as if it's the Library of Alexandria. Trans people can be observed today, obviously. The data we're able to get now is probably better than what they uncovered.

[Armeattla]

It could be argued that if it wasn't burned we would have had better data now, as we wouldn't need to replicate early data that technically was already recorded.

[The Ice States]

I don't really see what's so hard about using people's preferred pronouns.

Remembering them if there are no unambiguous visual cues. Online, everyone is "he" unless it says something else in their sig, and I've bothered to look at said sig right before I posted in reference to them. Heck, even all of my RP characters are "he" specifically because I don't want to have to remember an extra detail about them. I finally have one "she" in the mix. She's gonna get misgendered one of these days for sure.

Offline/IRL, if I haven't met you (general "you") about 50 times and you are of no seriously special significance to me, I don't remember your name. I don't remember your face. I only remember your species because Earth only has one two-legged, generally hairless, species that talks. I sure the hell am NOT going to remember any unexpected pronouns. In person, you will be referred to according to what gender you visually present as (or, if you're plainly going for a different one, then I'll be courteous and use the one you seem to be aiming for.).

So, HUMAN, try not to be offended when I don't remember you, your pronouns, your name, or your face either - and don't think you're somehow special enough to be a Magical Exception. Otherwise, you'll simply be downgraded to the category of someone I don't talk to...or worse. I have no patience for people who think they're precious, or who don't listen when I say I can't remember that sort of stuff and then have the gall to put on the rage routine when it turns out I'm telling the truth and actually don't remember it - and they're really not an exception. No more interaction, problem solved!

There is a difference between not remembering someone's pronouns and maliciously/intentionally misgendering someone. While - as you say - it's definitely possible to non-maliciously forget someone's pronouns (having definitely been guilty of unintentional misgendering before <_<), that isn't enough to account for all the misgendering that happens, much of it is wilful.

[Aussie Australia]

It's not discrimination, if you're too offended by being forced to put "sex" male/female on your job application then you're too sensitive to be in a work place environment.

It definitely is discrimination. You are describing how you think non-binary people should be forced out of the workplace because you believe some stupid stereotype about them.

No it would be unethical if it was to do with race or gender but if you choose to make up some identity it's your own fault. Stop making up labels for yourself that don't exist. You were born either male or female and if you had some birth defect where your parts are all muddled up its so rare it should be pretty well understandable for that person, not for someone that decides one day they're special and can change there whole identity because of their feelings

[Armeattla]

It definitely is discrimination. You are describing how you think non-binary people should be forced out of the workplace because you believe some stupid stereotype about them.

No it would be unethical if it was to do with race or gender but if you choose to make up some identity it's your own fault. Stop making up labels for yourself that don't exist. You were born either male or female and if you had some birth defect where your parts are all muddled up its so rare it should be pretty well understandable for that person, not for someone that decides one day they're special and can change there whole identity because of their feelings

Vaguely gestures towards the psychiatric, neurological and sociological research regarding gender identity, which proves trans identities, binary or not, are natured and not just "some feeling"

Also intersex people make up roughly 2% of the population, which is actually plenty already. And one third of intersex people are considered "gender questioning", which means as much as either non-binary or straight up trans.

[Ifreann]

It definitely is discrimination. You are describing how you think non-binary people should be forced out of the workplace because you believe some stupid stereotype about them.

No it would be unethical if it was to do with race or gender but if you choose to make up some identity it's your own fault.

Race and gender are also made up identities.

Stop making up labels for yourself that don't exist.

All labels are made up.

You were born either male or female

Those are made up categories.

and if you had some birth defect where your parts are all muddled up its so rare it should be pretty well understandable for that person, not for someone that decides one day they're special and can change there whole identity because of their feelings

Obviously a person's identity is based on their feelings about themselves. What on Earth else would it be? Our anatomy does not define who we are.

[Aussie Australia]

No it would be unethical if it was to do with race or gender but if you choose to make up some identity it's your own fault.

Race and gender are also made up identities.

Stop making up labels for yourself that don't exist.

All labels are made up.

You were born either male or female

Those are made up categories.

and if you had some birth defect where your parts are all muddled up its so rare it should be pretty well understandable for that person, not for someone that decides one day they're special and can change there whole identity because of their feelings

Obviously a person's identity is based on their feelings about themselves. What on Earth else would it be? Our anatomy does not define who we are.

Well no sex is not made up and neither is race, they are real tangible genetic differences and not determined by your mental state. If your chromosomes are xy you are male if they are xx you are female that's that, There are also genetic differences between ethnicities that determines things like melanin level fat deposition and traits like hair, and facial structures. Making up your own pronouns has no real world basis. And no you can not change your sex and making gender fluid removes any practical use for that information like medical care and sport as well as any profession that has gender preferences

[Aussie Australia]

No it would be unethical if it was to do with race or gender but if you choose to make up some identity it's your own fault. Stop making up labels for yourself that don't exist. You were born either male or female and if you had some birth defect where your parts are all muddled up its so rare it should be pretty well understandable for that person, not for someone that decides one day they're special and can change there whole identity because of their feelings

Vaguely gestures towards the psychiatric, neurological and sociological research regarding gender identity, which proves trans identities, binary or not, are natured and not just "some feeling"

Also intersex people make up roughly 2% of the population, which is actually plenty already. And one third of intersex people are considered "gender questioning", which means as much as either non-binary or straight up trans.

Neurology determines some behaviour and hormone production but doesn't determine your genetic make up, if i suddenly felt like a woman it wouldn't change my chromosomes and wouldn't allow me to play sport against females and use female bathrooms. There should be more money put towards rehabilitating people than enabling delusions

[Diarcesia]

Race and gender are also made up identities.

All labels are made up.

Those are made up categories.

Obviously a person's identity is based on their feelings about themselves. What on Earth else would it be? Our anatomy does not define who we are.

Well no sex is not made up and neither is race, they are real tangible genetic differences and not determined by your mental state. If your chromosomes are xy you are male if they are xx you are female that's that, There are also genetic differences between ethnicities that determines things like melanin level fat deposition and traits like hair, and facial structures. Making up your own pronouns has no real world basis. And no you can not change your sex and making gender fluid removes any practical use for that information like medical care and sport as well as any profession that has gender preferences

The only race that is not made up is the human race.