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Armeattla wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:The issue with "they/them" pronouns is that they only work in languages which allow for gender neutrality. Languages such as Spanish, Arabic, French, Hebrew, Italian, etc. Some of those on that list are amongst the most widely spoken in the world. By demanding that a significant proportion of the world refer to you in a way that's impossible in their language is well, yea, it ain't gonna get you anywhere. Unless you specifically include Arabic, French and Spanish, amongst others (which so happen to be amongst the largest languages in the world), and if you do exclude them, then really, what's the point?

That kinda sounds like you think it's some top-down demand, or one exclusively from english people...

Anyways, Enby people even in those languages find way to arrange themselves, including neutral referral.
German has the same issue, so we just stole "They/Them" and kept it unchanged or germanized it to "Dey/Deren" (with Deren actually already being an existing word- being an obscure genitive singular of the feminine article Die and genitive plural of all three articles Der, Die and Das)
Even other languages will have such arrangements. Language is shaped by those who speak it, not by those who preach it.

Australian rePublic wrote:The issue with "they/them" pronouns is that they only work in languages which allow for gender neutrality. Languages such as Spanish, Arabic, French, Hebrew, Italian, etc. Some of those on that list are amongst the most widely spoken in the world. By demanding that a significant proportion of the world refer to you in a way that's impossible in their language is well, yea, it ain't gonna get you anywhere. Unless you specifically include Arabic, French and Spanish, amongst others (which so happen to be amongst the largest languages in the world), and if you do exclude them, then really, what's the point?

Sedgistan wrote:

Aussie Australia wrote:Oh yeah i forgot it's completely normal to want to chop your penis off, how silly of me

Aussie Australia wrote:Yeah you're right people have been mentally sick for ages.

Read the rules, and stop trolling. Unofficial warning this time, but don't expect such leniency if you repeat this. There are ways of arguing your case that don't involve deliberately trying to wind people up.

Aussie Australia wrote:

Sedgistan wrote:
Read the rules, and stop trolling. Unofficial warning this time, but don't expect such leniency if you repeat this. There are ways of arguing your case that don't involve deliberately trying to wind people up.

Did you know you're a twat

Thomasi wrote:Just a friendly reminder 599/600s of every person on earth is XX her/she and XY him/his/he. So when someone says you should change the English or Spanish language remember its for 1/600th of people.

When they ask you to say "birthing persons" its for 1/1200 people.

So yeah if you are wondering why pronouns are being asked everywhere even on government jobs, that's why.

Thomasi wrote:Just a friendly reminder 599/600s of every person on earth is XX her/she and XY him/his/he. So when someone says you should change the English or Spanish language remember its for 1/600th of people.

When they ask you to say "birthing persons" its for 1/1200 people.

So yeah if you are wondering why pronouns are being asked everywhere even on government jobs, that's why.

Australian rePublic wrote:The issue with "they/them" pronouns is that they only work in languages which allow for gender neutrality. Languages such as Spanish, Arabic, French, Hebrew, Italian, etc. Some of those on that list are amongst the most widely spoken in the world. By demanding that a significant proportion of the world refer to you in a way that's impossible in their language is well, yea, it ain't gonna get you anywhere. Unless you specifically include Arabic, French and Spanish, amongst others (which so happen to be amongst the largest languages in the world), and if you do exclude them, then really, what's the point?

Dazchan wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:The issue with "they/them" pronouns is that they only work in languages which allow for gender neutrality. Languages such as Spanish, Arabic, French, Hebrew, Italian, etc. Some of those on that list are amongst the most widely spoken in the world. By demanding that a significant proportion of the world refer to you in a way that's impossible in their language is well, yea, it ain't gonna get you anywhere. Unless you specifically include Arabic, French and Spanish, amongst others (which so happen to be amongst the largest languages in the world), and if you do exclude them, then really, what's the point?

They and them are English words, used by English-speaking people in English-speaking countries. Why would it matter if they don't work in other languages?

Thomasi wrote:

Dazchan wrote:
They and them are English words, used by English-speaking people in English-speaking countries. Why would it matter if they don't work in other languages?

because people need to understand how offensive Latinx is to Spanish speakers basically English colonalism on other languages trying to "create" gender neutral terms

Isla de Tesoros wrote:

Thomasi wrote:
because people need to understand how offensive Latinx is to Spanish speakers basically English colonalism on other languages trying to "create" gender neutral terms

Doesn't le funny Argentine man have a video talking about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yfGQivroE&t

Thomasi wrote:

Isla de Tesoros wrote:
Doesn't le funny Argentine man have a video talking about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yfGQivroE&t

Okay so I was half right, Latinx is an unpronousable word so they don't use it but they do have Latine which is used for Gender Neutral.

Senkaku wrote:

Thomasi wrote:
Okay so I was half right, Latinx is an unpronousable word so they don't use it but they do have Latine which is used for Gender Neutral.

it's not unpronounceable, but Latine is definitely better in terms of both aesthetic and function-- I don't think calling Latinx "offensive" makes much sense though unless you're talking about the kind of people who want to enforce its exclusive use, it's only natural Anglos would come up with a slightly different word at first

Isla de Tesoros wrote:

Thomasi wrote:
because people need to understand how offensive Latinx is to Spanish speakers basically English colonalism on other languages trying to "create" gender neutral terms

Doesn't le funny Argentine man have a video talking about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yfGQivroE&t

Senkaku wrote:

Thomasi wrote:
Okay so I was half right, Latinx is an unpronousable word so they don't use it but they do have Latine which is used for Gender Neutral.

it's not unpronounceable, but Latine is definitely better in terms of both aesthetic and function-- I don't think calling Latinx "offensive" makes much sense though unless you're talking about the kind of people who want to enforce its exclusive use, it's only natural Anglos would come up with a slightly different word at first

Thomasi wrote:

Dazchan wrote:
They and them are English words, used by English-speaking people in English-speaking countries. Why would it matter if they don't work in other languages?

because people need to understand how offensive Latinx is to Spanish speakers basically English colonalism on other languages trying to "create" gender neutral terms

Page wrote:Latin-equis: Meh.

Latin-ex: Ugh.

La-tinks: *throws an angry pregnant street cat at your face*

Armeattla wrote:Language is shaped by those who speak it, not by those who preach it.

Risottia wrote:

Armeattla wrote:Language is shaped by those who speak it, not by those who preach it.

I frankly doubt that the majority of the speakers of, let's say, Italian, are going to adapt to the preferences of those who preach the use of genderless pronouns.

Ifreann wrote:

Risottia wrote:I frankly doubt that the majority of the speakers of, let's say, Italian, are going to adapt to the preferences of those who preach the use of genderless pronouns.

Sure you will.

Armeattla wrote:

Page wrote:Latin-equis: Meh.

Latin-ex: Ugh.

La-tinks: *throws an angry pregnant street cat at your face*

I want to see that one for "Womxn" instead.
liberals are really good at inserting some random x somewhere where it makes no fucking sense

Thomasi wrote:

Armeattla wrote:I want to see that one for "Womxn" instead.
liberals are really good at inserting some random x somewhere where it makes no fucking sense

More like SJWs though its a great way for employers to weed out applicants who would be calling HR every day over being "offended" by a joke or conversation. Literally if someone put other or anything than Male/Female or man/woman they wouldn't be hired.