"What are your pronouns?"

[Aussie Australia]

The person above me clearly thought it is normal.

normal is a setting on the dryer bbygrl

Whatever helps you sleep at night i guess

Some people may find some contentment in that but the fact that this seems to have become like any other cosmetic procedure in society definitely tells that something is very wrong.

literally no one "chops their penis off" lmfao

Ok surgically removed then lol

If someone feels confused about something so major there is another factor at play as to why they feel that way and pretending to be another gender is not going to solve that deep seated insecurity.

trans people aren't confused or pretending over anything
well
i supposed we're a little confused at how you can have access to the world's worth of scientific literature and still be this utterly ignorant

Well if you go around calling yourself a female if you're a male you are not only confused but also pretending as you can not biologically change your sex. This whole movement barely existed a few years ago until a bunch of upper middle class white people jumped onto it so they could finally feel like a minority. It's a selfish narcissistic movement all about you nothing about helping people actual minorities who have been systematically oppressed; no we should all put our attention on a bunch of confused young adults who hate their parents. And i can guarantee i know more about biology and physiology than you

[Drongonia]

No one here can seem to tolerate other people's opinions unless it reinforces their own. Stop joining these threads if you can't handle other viewpoints people.

"Person asks anonymous individuals for their opinion, disappointed when it differs from theirs" is basically the theme of 80% of NSG.

[Armeattla]

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I think a point you are missing is that it is not merely the existence of categories, but also the excessive labeling and pidgeonholing.
"Man" and "Woman" are not just simply categories but also an evaluation (IDK if that is the right term...).
Any of those categories contain plenty of baggage with them, especially on how someone is said category is to be described, viewed and treated. Hence stereotypes exist.

The existence of "Enby" as a loose category is not much an issue in itself, but the attempt to add baggage to a category which is inherently supposed to be void of any kind of baggage is an issue - and yes, in this regard capitalism is a strong driving force. Capitalism needs to put something on the label of Enby, needs to construct some kind of stereotype of an unstereotypical category, in order to market to them, and in order to make profit.

[Waspocalypse]

Meanwhile in the Netherlands: the pronoun for them sounds like the pronoun for "she".

Mostly I think pronouns are silly but I tend to use they and them most of the times because it's just easier and describes literally everyone. When in doubt: I use someone's name.

Which is why HUN is now used as the fourth 3rd person singular pronoun.

As in "Hun heeft aan mij verteld dat ..." / "hun de voorkeur geeft aan dit persoonlijke voornaamwoord" / and of course "HUN verpest de taal met deze monsterlijke constructie".

[Sordhau]

^This.

Nothing else really needs to be said, but of course a legion of bigots will arrive any minute now to call trans people mentally ill...

Oh yeah i forgot it's completely normal to want to chop your penis off, how silly of me

This may surprise you to learn but not all trans people get genital surgery.

Perhaps think before posting next time, hm?

[Armeattla]

Oh yeah i forgot it's completely normal to want to chop your penis off, how silly of me

This may surprise you to learn but not all trans people get genital surgery.

Perhaps think before posting next time, hm?

And none of the genital surgery is in any kind simply "chopping off the penis".
Technically only 4 suborgans go amiss. (or maybe 5? Not sure)

[Caitlinia]

And none of the genital surgery is in any kind simply "chopping off the penis".
Technically only 4 suborgans go amiss. (or maybe 5? Not sure)

Honestly I don't think its that relevant to talk about the surgery itself. It's usually used as a "weak point" in the process of transitioning to be attacked by bigots.

[Senkaku]

Stop joining these threads if you can't handle other viewpoints people.

I made the thread lmao, how about stop joining these threads if you have nothing to contribute

[Kerwa]

Really understanding white privilege is very difficult.

[Hukhalia]

I personally despise it when even an inkling of heterosexual-oriented authority is granted to a word, and when people like Therm do so, it reeks of sympathy towards the heterosexuals

“Sympathy towards the heterosexuals” what kind of fucked up nonsense is this?

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

[Drongonia]

“Sympathy towards the heterosexuals” what kind of fucked up nonsense is this?

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

Please, please go outside and interact with real people and not just strawmen. It'll do you wonders. The whole world is not out to get you, that's some truly schizo nonsense to be frank.

[Hukhalia]

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

Please, please go outside and interact with real people and not just strawmen. It'll do you wonders. The whole world is not out to get you, that's some truly schizo nonsense to be frank.

Don't make any assumptions about my social life; my opinions on this are part formulated by political structures, and in other formulated by real-life experiences

[Nolo gap]

the normal is a mythical beast.

our pronouns are co, for all individual members of any living species, regardless of gender or level of intelligence and creativity.

and it, for all non-organic, non-living objects, even if they may appear to have some sort of polarity.

there is however some controversy for machines with advanced artificial intelligence, with no organic components.

we tend to side with awareness or the appearance of awareness equaling personhood though.

the deciding question may be weather they dream and dream of previous or future lives in which the were or will become, at least partially organic living organisms.

[Valentine Z]

Never thought we would see from one end to another - in this case, I've seen homophobia, but heterophobia, now that's a first.

While being angry with the governments and the nonsensical policies that they made, let's remember to treat each other with respect, ey? No need to wage war on someone just because they have a different sexual orientation, or they preferred a certain pronoun. Your average cis or LGBTQ+ person just wants to be left alone and to be able to love another adult without getting condemned.

[New haven america]

“Sympathy towards the heterosexuals” what kind of fucked up nonsense is this?

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

Have you ever considered talking to irl people?

[New haven america]

Never thought we would see from one end to another - in this case, I've seen homophobia, but heterophobia, now that's a first.

While being angry with the governments and the nonsensical policies that they made, let's remember to treat each other with respect, ey? No need to wage war on someone just because they have a different sexual orientation, or they preferred a certain pronoun. Your average cis or LGBTQ+ person just wants to be left alone and to be able to love another adult without getting condemned.

Nah, there are several areas on the internet where it's normalized.

[Sedgistan]

“Sympathy towards the heterosexuals” what kind of fucked up nonsense is this?

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

*** 1 month forumban + deletion of both Hukhalia and South Reinkalistan for trolling ***

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“Sympathy towards the heterosexuals” what kind of fucked up nonsense is this?

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

It's really weird but as I started reading this post I instinctively felt a need to "defend myself" but I'm bi and yet I ended up somehow instinctively identifying as hetero which means I've internalized a lot of biphobia. Fuck.

[Armeattla]

Heterosexuals are the enemy. Always have been. They're always waiting for people like you or me to "fuck up" or "fall out of line", so they have a collective justification to breathe a sigh of relief and strip our rights away from us again -- the token shit they gave us in the first place. Just because you're siding with their normativities for now doesn't mean they aren't also after you.

It's really weird but as I started reading this post I instinctively felt a need to "defend myself" but I'm bi and yet I ended up somehow instinctively identifying as hetero which means I've internalized a lot of biphobia. Fuck.

No worries, we'll work through it!

[Ifreann]

But how are you affected?

How am i affected? Well , LGBTQ community has negative reputations for several reasons like pride month. Pride month is seriously problem in the modern realm , especially mega-corporations. They sell you for profit motive. Why are they doing this? Because of marketing techniques and economic greed. Many mega-corporations use rainbow logos for the expression of sexuality. In actuality, it's a empty slogan.

But , i cannot fighting against corporations because they are omnipotent and omnipresent. A quintessential form of the dystopian society

I'm not saying LGBTQ people should punished, but rather acknowledging issues. https://imgur.com/vK4TJng https://i.redd.it/cy9oo0ll0m271.png

I know it has nothing to do with Neopronouns.

Plot twist: my English is not native

Nothing you describe is any kind of affect of neopronouns.

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But you just said in that post that they do. "If I am talking to YOU, I will use your name or title." How do you imagine coming by the knowledge of a stranger's name or title in conversation, except by that stranger telling you?

Usually people will introduce me to the stranger. If not, I introduce myself and they return the favor.

Right, so when you use their name, they are defining how you speak and what you say. Because they told you what their name is. They decided what name to give when you asked. And it would be very silly indeed to accept that, but to throw a little tantrum about how no one can force you to use their pronouns.

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If someone wants to identify as something non-outlandish and you don't want to affirm that, then you're a bigot. shrug

Ok whatever. You don’t and shouldn’t have to be forced to affirm everything. Especially if you aren’t comfortable doing so.

Maybe patience and kindness are better than just outright dismissal. Ya know you get more flys with honey than with vinegar

Fun fact, you literally get more flies with vinegar. It smells like rotten fruit, which flies are all about, nice and easy to get the tasty sugars out of rotten fruit.

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normal is a setting on the dryer bbygrl

Whatever helps you sleep at night i guess


literally no one "chops their penis off" lmfao

Ok surgically removed then lol


trans people aren't confused or pretending over anything
well
i supposed we're a little confused at how you can have access to the world's worth of scientific literature and still be this utterly ignorant

Well if you go around calling yourself a female if you're a male you are not only confused but also pretending as you can not biologically change your sex. This whole movement barely existed a few years ago until a bunch of upper middle class white people jumped onto it so they could finally feel like a minority. It's a selfish narcissistic movement all about you nothing about helping people actual minorities who have been systematically oppressed; no we should all put our attention on a bunch of confused young adults who hate their parents. And i can guarantee i know more about biology and physiology than you

My brother in Christ, the trans movement has existed for longer than you have been alive. You only noticed in 2015 because that's when gay marriage got legalised and conservatives, having lost that battle, refocussed on trans people.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I'll happily use whatever pronouns people tell me they want. I just see no point in going around upsetting people, and I suspect those here taking advantage of internet anonymity to pronounce that they do are probably not being honest.

[Aussie Australia]

How am i affected? Well , LGBTQ community has negative reputations for several reasons like pride month. Pride month is seriously problem in the modern realm , especially mega-corporations. They sell you for profit motive. Why are they doing this? Because of marketing techniques and economic greed. Many mega-corporations use rainbow logos for the expression of sexuality. In actuality, it's a empty slogan.

But , i cannot fighting against corporations because they are omnipotent and omnipresent. A quintessential form of the dystopian society

I'm not saying LGBTQ people should punished, but rather acknowledging issues. https://imgur.com/vK4TJng https://i.redd.it/cy9oo0ll0m271.png

I know it has nothing to do with Neopronouns.

Plot twist: my English is not native

Nothing you describe is any kind of affect of neopronouns.

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Usually people will introduce me to the stranger. If not, I introduce myself and they return the favor.

Right, so when you use their name, they are defining how you speak and what you say. Because they told you what their name is. They decided what name to give when you asked. And it would be very silly indeed to accept that, but to throw a little tantrum about how no one can force you to use their pronouns.

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Ok whatever. You don’t and shouldn’t have to be forced to affirm everything. Especially if you aren’t comfortable doing so.

Maybe patience and kindness are better than just outright dismissal. Ya know you get more flys with honey than with vinegar

Fun fact, you literally get more flies with vinegar. It smells like rotten fruit, which flies are all about, nice and easy to get the tasty sugars out of rotten fruit.

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Well if you go around calling yourself a female if you're a male you are not only confused but also pretending as you can not biologically change your sex. This whole movement barely existed a few years ago until a bunch of upper middle class white people jumped onto it so they could finally feel like a minority. It's a selfish narcissistic movement all about you nothing about helping people actual minorities who have been systematically oppressed; no we should all put our attention on a bunch of confused young adults who hate their parents. And i can guarantee i know more about biology and physiology than you

My brother in Christ, the trans movement has existed for longer than you have been alive. You only noticed in 2015 because that's when gay marriage got legalised and conservatives, having lost that battle, refocussed on trans people.

Yeah you're right people have been mentally sick for ages.

[Islamic Essarn]

My pronouns are she/her

[Thermodolia]

No, that's not true at all. If Therm or I were saying "you can't call yourself queer" or "you shouldn't call yourself queer" or "I want to stop you from calling yourself queer", that'd be one thing. But that's not what's being said here.

Eh, I don’t really see the distinction between those two statements, and refusing to refer to someone as queer who has explicitly stated that that’s their preference. He’d be implicitly saying that because he thinks of the word in a certain way, someone else’s identification is not something that he can be expected to respect. Whether you want to think of it as saying “I know better than you” or “my trauma takes precedence over your identity,” either way it strikes me as disrespectful. (Sort of off topic and a ridiculous hypothetical anyways since I doubt Therm knows or will ever meet anyone who exclusively identifies as queer rather than gay, but I think it’s related enough to the concept of respecting others’ self-identification to discuss.)

Yeah... I'm with Therm on this.

He isn't telling anyone to change how they live, isn't telling anyone who they should sleep with, isn't trying to stop them from having medical or legal gender transitions, isn't telling people to stop being queer. He's just refusing to use a word that he has a legitimate reason for feeling uncomfortable with.

Just because some people decide they want to reclaim a slur does not mean everyone else has to suddenly erase their minds and forget all the baggage the word had.

Of course not. At the same time, shouldn’t the people carrying around all the baggage the word had be able to respect that that doesn’t necessarily exist for other people, if they insist on using it *for themselves* and are respectful about not using it for people for whom it still carries a lot of pain?

Respect is earned not given, I don’t have to automatically respect anyone. I’m tolerating the usage of a word I don’t like but don’t expect me to use it.

[Jaffort]

What the-

Btw Mine are Hit/ler