[Abortion Thread] A Tough Pill To Swallow

[The Pirateariat]

So why not say "abortion is allowed when there is a high risk of birth defects?" Why just incest? If birth defects are what you're worried about, then why are only focusing on one possible cause of them?

If a great amount of harm to the child's life is present, abortion may be an option

Well you didn't list it as an option before.

It's almost as though you've never thought about this, and are just now considering the possibility. But that can't be the case, because you were so strong in your convictions earlier. And surely you're not the sort of person would have a very strong opinion about a topic that you're fundamentally ignorant about. Especially since it effects the lives and health of other people. Only a moral monster would do that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If a great amount of harm to the child's life is present, abortion may be an option

Well you didn't list it as an option before.

It's almost as though you've never thought about this, and are just now considering the possibility. But that can't be the case, because you were so strong in your convictions earlier. And surely you're not the sort of person would have a very strong opinion about a topic that you're fundamentally ignorant about. Especially since it effects the lives and health of other people. Only a moral monster would do that.

He didn't even affirm that a mother can have the option to end her and her child's suffering. He's being like
"I may permit, graciously, abortion on a good day."

[Floofybit]

If a great amount of harm to the child's life is present, abortion may be an option

Well you didn't list it as an option before.

I did.

[Spirit of Hope]

You are arguing with someone who supports criminalizing sex without a license, banning porn by any means, limiting the circumstances under which sex takes place, and says sexual acts between people of the same sex is sinful. He's also unironically has "Safety > Freedom" in his signature and wants to be part of an authoritarian society. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably aren't going to convince him to change his viewpoint just cause you pointed out logical inconsistencies in his proposed legislation.

[Floofybit]

You are arguing with someone who supports criminalizing sex without a license, banning porn by any means, limiting the circumstances under which sex takes place, and says sexual acts between people of the same sex is sinful. He's also unironically has "Safety > Freedom" in his signature and wants to be part of an authoritarian society. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably aren't going to convince him to change his viewpoint just cause you pointed out logical inconsistencies in his proposed legislation.

All those beliefs still hold true with me besides the same-sex thing is terrible part.

[The Pirateariat]

Well you didn't list it as an option before.

I did.

You said "harm to the child's life." Which isn't the same thing as a birth defect. Most birth defects are not fatal. And pregnancies resulting from incest do not result in fatal complications at a rate substantially higher then, say, having a child after age 40.

So, again, why incest? Again: you listed it as separate from "harm to the child's life." So you can't pretend it's the same thing. And it's factually not.

I know the answer, of course, it's because you were just parroting the "rape and incest" line without thinking about it. Just like everybody who says, "except in cases of rape and incest" hasn't thought about it. You just repeat this nonsense with no care at all, and no thought given to how it will effect the lives of real people. This is monstrous.

[Ifreann]

I did.

You said "harm to the child's life." Which isn't the same thing as a birth defect. Most birth defects are not fatal. And pregnancies resulting from incest do not result in fatal complications at a rate substantially higher then, say, having a child after age 40.

So, again, why incest? Again: you listed it as separate from "harm to the child's life." So you can't pretend it's the same thing. And it's factually not.

I know the answer, of course, it's because you were just parroting the "rape and incest" line without thinking about it. Just like everybody who says, "except in cases of rape and incest" hasn't thought about it. You just repeat this nonsense with no care at all, and no thought given to how it will effect the lives of real people. This is monstrous.

There does seem to be an inescapable implication with the "rape and incest" line from the anti-abortion crowd that the people conceived by such acts are tainted in some way.

[Atlantic Faroe Islands]

okay and?
go to another state
maybe if biden lowered the gas prices it wouldnt be so expensice
or better yet learn to use a condon

condoms don't always work and a few states are actually working to make traveling to free states illegal too. plus the president can't affect gas prices but i digress

freedom is non-negotiable. this ruling violates the 14th amendment; "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" and all that

>He supports Abortion
>He also quotes "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty"
>The Irony
Lmao these people

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

condoms don't always work and a few states are actually working to make traveling to free states illegal too. plus the president can't affect gas prices but i digress

freedom is non-negotiable. this ruling violates the 14th amendment; "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" and all that

>He supports Abortion
>He also quotes "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty"
>The Irony
Lmao these people

embryos aren’t persons

[Point Blob]

If a great amount of harm to the child's life is present, abortion may be an option

Over 99.99% of the Universe is completely incompatible with life.
Even on this planet, the space that can be safely occupied by humans at all is a serious minority.
If you were even remotely concerned about quality of life being poor for children, then over 90% of humanity would be banned from breeding in the first place.

Not that it would be a bad thing, per-se... but the minority of kids who live completely save and comfortable lives would probably end up as spoilt pricks. It does tend to be that way.