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What is your position on State Referenda enshrining Abortion as a constitutional right?

All states should do it! If any states haven't, they damn well need to!
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The states should raise the standards for passage to 60% or higher, where applicable!
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The state governments should do all they can to block these referenda!
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27%
I for one welcome sugary oblivion! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu is a part of my balanced breakfast!
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Total votes : 417

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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 am

Kanadorika wrote:
Hispida wrote:protestors are apparently gathering outside of the supreme court. hope they start rioting!!!


glad to know you support the murders of millions of women

What millions of women are being murdered?

women in 26 states are now 2.6 million times more likely to die as a result of faulty abortion. i'm sure you can put two and two together.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 am

Hispida wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:the protesters outside must take the opportunity to create a leftist government... i will not explain how

this but unironically


Feel free to try at any point. :)
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Postby Loeje » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Loeje wrote:Contraception fails sometimes. Should women be forced to risk their lives because they were unlucky?

thats their problem. use mutliple contraceptives
wait till your ready to have a kid
stop going from.man to man. too bas

You seem to really lack empathy for women in difficult situations. It's a shame that so many people fail to care about others, and that's what led to this decision. The Supreme Court has the same problem.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:What millions of women are being murdered?

That seems to refer that by making abortion illegal (by some states), that force women to seek illegal abortion that is....well, less safe.

i mean if they start rioting they'll judt get the beatdown of their lives 1960s style and that's good. dont question the state
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:58 am

Hispida wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:What millions of women are being murdered?

women in 26 states are now 2.6 million times more likely to die as a result of faulty abortion. i'm sure you can put two and two together.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61898437
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/abo ... 58629.html
I mean the evidence is already there demonstrating that "pro-lifeism" doesnt give a shit about actual persons living or dead...
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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:58 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:That seems to refer that by making abortion illegal (by some states), that force women to seek illegal abortion that is....well, less safe.

i mean if they start rioting they'll judt get the beatdown of their lives 1960s style and that's good. dont question the state

all authority should be questioned
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:59 am

Loeje wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:thats their problem. use mutliple contraceptives
wait till your ready to have a kid
stop going from.man to man. too bas

You seem to really lack empathy for women in difficult situations. It's a shame that so many people fail to care about others, and that's what led to this decision. The Supreme Court has the same problem.

they put themselces in the situation, that is their problem. deal with the consequences. not just women but men too. men who run out on their kids and be deadbeats should grt beaten by the cops and sent back home

Hispida wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:What millions of women are being murdered?

women in 26 states are now 2.6 million times more likely to die as a result of faulty abortion. i'm sure you can put two and two together.

thats tough, travel to another state
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:00 am

Hispida wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:What millions of women are being murdered?

women in 26 states are now 2.6 million times more likely to die as a result of faulty abortion. i'm sure you can put two and two together.

Do you have a source that the average woman in one of those 26 states have a 2.6 million times more chance of dying post Roe vs Wade vs before?

The ruling will certainly danger women and lead to unecessary deaths, but we're not going to see millions of women dropping dead in the streets.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:00 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:That seems to refer that by making abortion illegal (by some states), that force women to seek illegal abortion that is....well, less safe.

i mean if they start rioting they'll judt get the beatdown of their lives 1960s style and that's good. dont question the state

Oh man, living in a real democracy must be really good when somebody wishing something like this.

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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:00 am

Hispida wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:i mean if they start rioting they'll judt get the beatdown of their lives 1960s style and that's good. dont question the state

all authority should be questioned

no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:01 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:i mean if they start rioting they'll judt get the beatdown of their lives 1960s style and that's good. dont question the state

Oh man, living in a real democracy must be really good when somebody wishing something like this.

yeah because in your "democracy" i have no power
deal with dissenting opinions online
deal with it
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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:01 am

Kanadorika wrote:
Hispida wrote:women in 26 states are now 2.6 million times more likely to die as a result of faulty abortion. i'm sure you can put two and two together.

Do you have a source that the average woman in one of those 26 states have a 2.6 million times more chance of dying post Roe vs Wade vs before?

The ruling will certainly danger women and lead to unecessary deaths, but we're not going to see millions of women dropping dead in the streets.

i do, yes, from an old post i made a year ago.

edit: oh, here's another one.

edit 2: i misremembered. it was 2.16 million times more likely, but still.
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:01 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hispida wrote:all authority should be questioned

no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced

So you support totalitarianism?
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:02 am

Hispida wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:i mean if they start rioting they'll judt get the beatdown of their lives 1960s style and that's good. dont question the state

all authority should be questioned

Ironically, that's exactly what happened here with Roe vs Wade being questioned.
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Postby Soviet cat » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:02 am

Untecna wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced

So you support totalitarianism?

Clearly they do

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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:02 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hispida wrote:all authority should be questioned

no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced


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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:02 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hispida wrote:all authority should be questioned

no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced

the state's purpose should be to serve the people, not the other way around. if the state stops supporting the people, or never supported the people in the first place, then it is not just morally justified but a civic duty to overthrow it
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:03 am

Is anyone else in the same camp I’m in?

I don’t support Roe but at the same time I don’t support this ruling. I feel like if Roe is overturned it will lead to something much more terrible happening.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:03 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hispida wrote:all authority should be questioned

no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced

Bro, you posted cringe.
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Postby Soviet cat » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:03 am

Sordhau wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced


Death to Fascism.

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Postby Il Borgia Vaticano » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:04 am

I'm a Catholic, yet this is an utter desecration of the human rights of those we should be cherishing, not enslaving as brood mares.

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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:04 am

Untecna wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced

So you support totalitarianism?

i got no problem with it. nor do i have an issue with imperialism and subjugation or kraterocracy or technocracy

i dont like nazis or fascists thiugh because those are scientifically unreasonable and irrational. Im anti theist and anti religion unlike thise two ideologies.
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:no authority should be questioned. the state is the state, and those who disagree should be beaten and sentenced

Bro, you posted cringe.

This is NSG, just hound them with credible and sensible responses and watch them go nuts
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:04 am

Hispida wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Do you have a source that the average woman in one of those 26 states have a 2.6 million times more chance of dying post Roe vs Wade vs before?

The ruling will certainly danger women and lead to unecessary deaths, but we're not going to see millions of women dropping dead in the streets.

i do, yes, from an old post i made a year ago.

edit: oh, here's another one.

edit 2: i misremembered. it was 2.16 million times more likely, but still.


I'm seeing "women have a 4%-13% chance of dying in illegal abortions" in your post.

Again awful, but this isn't millions of women being murdered.
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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:04 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Untecna wrote:So you support totalitarianism?

i got no problem with it. nor do i have an issue with imperialism and subjugation or kraterocracy or technocracy

i dont like nazis or fascists thiugh because those are scientifically unreasonable and irrational. Im anti theist and anti religion unlike thise two ideologies.

fascism and nazism are antitheist as well, read a book

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Death to Fascism.

Death to Fascism.

Death to Fascism.
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