[Abortion Thread] A Tough Pill To Swallow

[Harjanika]

I feel so sorry for Americans right now. It's just plain wrong that 6 people have just messed up the lives of millions of women.

We are in the 21st century, birth control, contraceptives, egg harvesting (which can then be frozen and used for people who want babies but are infertile) and good ole abstinence exist. Taking precaution can prevent pregnancy. Hell even period tracking apps exist to make sure people miss the cycle.

You have to really NOT try to get pregnant though consentual sex.

But what if they are unfortunately pregnant through non-consentual sex??? How can you explain that.
Also you mentioned that we're in the 21st Century, well is seems like the reversal of abortion is making America looking more like the 19th Century. I remember when America used to be seen as 'The land of the free', now we just see it as a far-right wasteland. Even our Prime Minister (who has made..... controversial comments) condemns the banning of abortion in the USA.

[DeSanta Peradino]

okay. and?

So its not "ruining" millions of women's lives. People just have to be responsible when having sex now.

Actually, period trackers are pretty bad. They sell your data, and there's articles all about why you need to boycott period trackers

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

okay. and?

So its not "ruining" millions of women's lives. People just have to be responsible when having sex now.

contraceptives fail (and republicans are trying to ban them too), egg harvesting is expensive, and abstinence is unnecessary. it won’t necessarily ruin millions of lives, but it will hurt many. and these abortion bans are entirely unnecessary.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Abstinence works just as well as banning religion. You end up with a society indulging in grotesque excesses that would impress Pol Pot.

[Vassenor]

okay. and?

So its not "ruining" millions of women's lives. People just have to be responsible when having sex now.

And we're back to pregnancy as punishment. But remember, this was never about controlling women.

[Diarcesia]

So its not "ruining" millions of women's lives. People just have to be responsible when having sex now.

And we're back to pregnancy as punishment. But remember, this was never about controlling women.

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

[Ifreann]

Constitutional right? What amendment allows you to murder a child?

Listen. I'm pretty basically smack middle of libertarian right, not based on the political compass test, but based off reason and logic.

I am a Christian so I disagree with abortion but as a libertarian/constitutionalist understand that the federal government shouldn't have the power to control it one way or the other. The overturning of Roe v. Wade does not make it illegal nationwide in the US to have an abortion, rather it overturns an unconstitutional court case. Roe v. Wade was unconstitutional as the federal government only has the powers given to it and/or (depending on the amendment) the powers the states are not allowed to have per the Constitution.

> Libertarian
> Likes rights removed from women

Curious.

Pretty normal for American libertarians.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And we're back to pregnancy as punishment. But remember, this was never about controlling women.

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

They are people. Just like you.
But I can't just carve away half your liver and remove a quarter of your blood volume for my own benefit, without your consent. Or can I?

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And we're back to pregnancy as punishment. But remember, this was never about controlling women.

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

Nearly every pro-lifer will betray misogynistic sentiment if you keep them talking for long enough.

[Neutraligon]

And we're back to pregnancy as punishment. But remember, this was never about controlling women.

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

Even if someone does think fetuses are people they can still think of pregnancy as punishment, as has been made abundantly clear in this thread.

[WayNeacTia]

I feel so sorry for Americans right now. It's just plain wrong that 6 people have just messed up the lives of millions of women.

We are in the 21st century, birth control, contraceptives, egg harvesting (which can then be frozen and used for people who want babies but are infertile) and good ole abstinence exist. Taking precaution can prevent pregnancy. Hell even period tracking apps exist to make sure people miss the cycle.

You have to really NOT try to get pregnant though consentual sex.

Condoms break, pill's get accidently missed....

[Fartsniffage]

We are in the 21st century, birth control, contraceptives, egg harvesting (which can then be frozen and used for people who want babies but are infertile) and good ole abstinence exist. Taking precaution can prevent pregnancy. Hell even period tracking apps exist to make sure people miss the cycle.

You have to really NOT try to get pregnant though consentual sex.

Condoms break, pill's get accidently missed....

A vasectomy can reverse itself.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

Even if someone does think fetuses are people they can still think of pregnancy as punishment, as has been made abundantly clear in this thread.

Giving fetuses personhood does nothing anyway, since actual adult, competent persons are not permitted to violate another person's body without the latter's consent.

[WayNeacTia]

Condoms break, pill's get accidently missed....

A vasectomy can reverse itself.

This is true, it happened to a person I know. Also when women are sterilized now, they only clamp the fallopian tube, not cut and cauterize (scar tissue was causing issues, I read). Eggs can apparently slip through sometimes. When me and my wife decided we didn't want any more children, we both went and got fixed, just to be damn sure.

Even if someone does think fetuses are people they can still think of pregnancy as punishment, as has been made abundantly clear in this thread.

Giving fetuses personhood does nothing anyway, since actual adult, competent persons are not permitted to violate another person's body without the latter's consent.

So are we going to start charging women who smoke while pregnant, or have a glass of wine while pregnant? How far does this hole go?

[Ifreann]

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

Nearly every pro-lifer will betray misogynistic sentiment if you keep them talking for long enough.

One might begin to suspect that the whole movement is based on a desire to control women.

[Diarcesia]

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

Nearly every pro-lifer will betray misogynistic sentiment if you keep them talking for long enough.

Sad.

I may also bet they care more about their own reputations that they'll (assuming they're dudes) tell their mistress to abort their baby if she becomes pregnant.

[Kerwa]

Someone who's decided fetuses are people (evidently you're not one of them) doesn't think pregnancy is punishment.

Nearly every pro-lifer will betray misogynistic sentiment if you keep them talking for long enough.

I’d agree there’s a lot of that. But it’s not the whole impetus… there’s the “more souls for heaven” types, and “divine spark” idiots as well. They may well be sexist, but they aren’t women haters.

There’s a fair amount of hatred though.

[Diuhon]

for people who never have intercourse with escorts and the like, they seem damn convinced all women are sluts to be reined in, hm

[Katganistan]

Looks like woke progressives finally agree on what a woman is it took overturning Roe for them to stop the nonsense of "anyone can be a woman" or using "birthing person" They are why we lose seats, economy > the feelings of 1/1200 of the population thinking most Americans want to hear the woke stuff like "Latin x" and having labels shoved down our throats vs focusing on the economy is why we lose.

[Katganistan]

Looks like woke progressives finally agree on what a woman is it took overturning Roe for them to stop the nonsense of "anyone can be a woman" or using "birthing person" They are why we lose seats, economy > the feelings of 1/1200 of the population thinking most Americans want to hear the woke stuff like "Latin x" and having labels shoved down our throats vs focusing on the economy is why we lose.

I'm running for the US house MD district 8 [link redacted] this is what people actually want to from their reps.

Smells like a Republican in Democrats clothing....

[Diuhon]

Looks like woke progressives finally agree on what a woman is

cool shit

there's a trans thread over here, full of people your ilk want dead

maybe ask them what they fucking think before you sharpen your fucking pointy stick that may or may not be a stand-in for your dick

[Katganistan]

Looks like woke progressives finally agree on what a woman is it took overturning Roe for them to stop the nonsense of "anyone can be a woman" or using "birthing person" They are why we lose seats, economy > the feelings of 1/1200 of the population thinking most Americans want to hear the woke stuff like "Latin x" and having labels shoved down our throats vs focusing on the economy is why we lose.

[link redacted]

Smells like a Republican in Democrats clothing....

Nope I am simply an Economic Progressive, I want to fix the economy, environment and political system. Woke-ism is stupid and being shoved into every aspect of peoples lives, and most people hate it. Most people are economically left, focus on that.

[Thomasi]

Looks like woke progressives finally agree on what a woman is

cool shit

there's a trans thread over here, full of people your ilk want dead

maybe ask them what they fucking think before you sharpen your fucking pointy stick that may or may not be a stand-in for your dick

my ilk? I am not a republican, I am an Economic Progressive, no one who supports me would be going after the Trans community, I simply pointed out the absurdity that using the term "woman" somehow became insensitive.

[Katganistan]

Looks like woke progressives finally agree on what a woman is it took overturning Roe for them to stop the nonsense of "anyone can be a woman" or using "birthing person" They are why we lose seats, economy > the feelings of 1/1200 of the population thinking most Americans want to hear the woke stuff like "Latin x" and having labels shoved down our throats vs focusing on the economy is why we lose.

[linkk redacted]

LGBT Rights are Human Rights!

I will try to get LGBT civil rights enshrined into law, via a civil rights act of 2023.

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[Diarcesia]

cool shit

there's a trans thread over here, full of people your ilk want dead

maybe ask them what they fucking think before you sharpen your fucking pointy stick that may or may not be a stand-in for your dick

my ilk? I am not a republican, I am an Economic Progressive, no one who supports me would be going after the Trans community, I simply pointed out the obesity that using the term "woman" somehow became insensitive.

Consider that Twitter progressives aren't the entirety of the social progressive demographic.