[Abortion Thread] A Matter of Choice (NEW POLL!)

[Michel Meilleur]

I thought it was pretty widespread knowledge that "infant" refers to newborn children of less than one year of age, but I guess not. or maybe anti-choicers just use "infant" because it makes people who seek abortions sound like they're murdering children.

I thought so too, but you'd think they'd try to be a little more subtle when using misleading information for dramatic effect.

Or, you know, it's just that it's colloquially used to refer to very young children (especially for non-anglo-saxons for who it is as a closer equivalent to native terms). Especially for the peoples who're not really interested in performing mental gymnastics to defend their position and thus don't need to constantly try and use the most de-humanizing terms possibles to refer to the kiddos who're being "terminated".

[Islamic Essarn]

A thought. Since all foetuses begin as female and don't begin to develop male traits until about 8 weeks, if foetuses are infants, does that make all men trans men?

I mean... They do undergo hormonal changes that makee them male...

Many trans me do the same.

[Necroghastia]

I thought so too, but you'd think they'd try to be a little more subtle when using misleading information for dramatic effect.

Or, you know, it's just that it's colloquially used to refer to very young children (especially for non-anglo-saxons for who it is as a closer equivalent to native terms). Especially for the peoples who're not really interested in performing mental gymnastics to defend their position and thus don't need to constantly try and use the most de-humanizing terms possibles to refer to the kiddos who're being "terminated".

...Yeah, it's not pro-choicers who are going for the gold in Olympic Mental Gymnastics, bub.

[Michel Meilleur]

...Yeah, it's not pro-choicers who are going for the gold in Olympic Mental Gymnastics, bub.

Sure thing bro. That's probably why everyone on that side is screeching and recoiling at peoples daring to refer to children as children until they've popped out of their mom's vagina.

[Islamic Essarn]

A thought. Since all foetuses begin as female and don't begin to develop male traits until about 8 weeks, if foetuses are infants, does that make all men trans men?

And people believe that women are just a version of men!

[Alcala-Cordel]

I thought so too, but you'd think they'd try to be a little more subtle when using misleading information for dramatic effect.

Or, you know, it's just that it's colloquially used to refer to very young children (especially for non-anglo-saxons for who it is as a closer equivalent to native terms). Especially for the peoples who're not really interested in performing mental gymnastics to defend their position and thus don't need to constantly try and use the most de-humanizing terms possibles to refer to the kiddos who're being "terminated".

Trying to equate a fetus with an infant takes a lot of mental gymnastics, and it doesn't change the fact that they are not the same.

I'm also gonna stand by my claim that not too many people call fetuses infants, and those who do are almost always trying to mislead people on abortion.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

I thought so too, but you'd think they'd try to be a little more subtle when using misleading information for dramatic effect.

Or, you know, it's just that it's colloquially used to refer to very young children (especially for non-anglo-saxons for who it is as a closer equivalent to native terms). Especially for the peoples who're not really interested in performing mental gymnastics to defend their position and thus don't need to constantly try and use the most de-humanizing terms possibles to refer to the kiddos who're being "terminated".

fetuses aren't children because "child" refers to someone who's been born.

[Islamic Essarn]

...Yeah, it's not pro-choicers who are going for the gold in Olympic Mental Gymnastics, bub.

Sure thing bro. That's probably why everyone on that side is screeching and recoiling at peoples daring to refer to children as children until they've popped out of their mom's vagina.

Apparently I’m ment to call an unconscious parasite a child

[Ifreann]

...Yeah, it's not pro-choicers who are going for the gold in Olympic Mental Gymnastics, bub.

Sure thing bro. That's probably why everyone on that side is screeching and recoiling at peoples daring to refer to children as children until they've popped out of their mom's vagina.

You're the ones insisting we use the same terms for a single cell as we use for an 11 year old.

[Michel Meilleur]

Trying to equate a fetus with an infant takes a lot of mental gymnastics, and it doesn't change the fact that they are not the same.

It... It really doesn't. A fetus is a name used to refer to a young child. An infant is a name used to refer to a young child. Peoples are going to use the terms interchangably.

I'm also gonna stand by my claim that not too many people call fetuses infants, and those who do are almost always trying to mislead people on abortion.

We literally threw a party two weeks ago to celebrate a colleague's paternity leave.
Guess how everyone referred "the fetus" as? "The baby", "the kiddo", "the little one" and "choupi"; all those same words we had been using ever since he told us that his wife was pregnant.
Guess how no one referred "the fetus" as? "The fetus". Wanna know why? Because we're normal human beings who're able to recognize other human beings as human beings, even if they're still currently in their mother's womb.

[Michel Meilleur]

You're the ones insisting we use the same terms for a single cell as we use for an 11 year old.

Yeah. Like we use adult to refer to peoples from 18 to 65 and old from 65 to however long we last. That's because most peoples just consider the three "ages" of man and don't feel the need to bother with pointless technicality of terms when talking normally with other peoples.

[Vassenor]

Let's see a fetus survive out of the womb. Hell, let's see it think.

I just find it so unbelievably odd that some pro-life people can look at the biology, traits, etc of a fetus and a born infant and their reaction is "they're the same picture."

I mean we also keep seeing that pro-lifers can't identify a human fetus.

[Necroghastia]

You're the ones insisting we use the same terms for a single cell as we use for an 11 year old.

Yeah. Like we use adult to refer to peoples from 18 to 65 and old from 65 to however long we last. That's because most peoples just consider the three "ages" of man and don't feel the need to bother with pointless technicality of terms when talking normally with other peoples.

We're not talking normally with other people though.

[Islamic Essarn]

Trying to equate a fetus with an infant takes a lot of mental gymnastics, and it doesn't change the fact that they are not the same.

It... It really doesn't. A fetus is a name used to refer to a young child. An infant is a name used to refer to a young child. Peoples are going to use the terms interchangably.

I'm also gonna stand by my claim that not too many people call fetuses infants, and those who do are almost always trying to mislead people on abortion.

We literally threw a party two weeks ago to celebrate a colleague's paternity leave.
Guess how everyone referred "the fetus" as? "The baby", "the kiddo", "the little one" and "choupi"; all those same words we had been using ever since he told us that his wife was pregnant.
Guess how no one referred "the fetus" as? "The fetus". Wanna know why? Because we're normal human beings who're able to recognize other human beings as human beings, even if they're still currently in their mother's womb.

Your referring to something that can’t feel pain
Those terms are used informally and that’s fine.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Trying to equate a fetus with an infant takes a lot of mental gymnastics, and it doesn't change the fact that they are not the same.

It... It really doesn't. A fetus is a name used to refer to a young child. An infant is a name used to refer to a young child. Peoples are going to use the terms interchangably.

I have never heard anyone call an infant a fetus.

I'm also gonna stand by my claim that not too many people call fetuses infants, and those who do are almost always trying to mislead people on abortion.

We literally threw a party two weeks ago to celebrate a colleague's paternity leave.
Guess how everyone referred "the fetus" as? "The baby", "the kiddo", "the little one" and "choupi"; all those same words we had been using ever since he told us that his wife was pregnant.

So no one called it an infant.

Guess how no one referred "the fetus" as? "The fetus". Wanna know why? Because we're normal human beings who're able to recognize other human beings as human beings, even if they're still currently in their mother's womb.

You're overthinking it. If they don't abort of miscarry a pregnant person will have a baby. Parties like that are for congratulating the person for being on their way to having one, not congratulating the fetus for being alive.

[Vassenor]

Trying to equate a fetus with an infant takes a lot of mental gymnastics, and it doesn't change the fact that they are not the same.

It... It really doesn't. A fetus is a name used to refer to a young child. An infant is a name used to refer to a young child. Peoples are going to use the terms interchangably.

I'm also gonna stand by my claim that not too many people call fetuses infants, and those who do are almost always trying to mislead people on abortion.

We literally threw a party two weeks ago to celebrate a colleague's paternity leave.
Guess how everyone referred "the fetus" as? "The baby", "the kiddo", "the little one" and "choupi"; all those same words we had been using ever since he told us that his wife was pregnant.
Guess how no one referred "the fetus" as? "The fetus". Wanna know why? Because we're normal human beings who're able to recognize other human beings as human beings, even if they're still currently in their mother's womb.

So what makes this indistinguishable from a young child?

[Islamic Essarn]

Lets play spot the difference : this is are first picture https://www.google.com/search?q=baby&rl ... fIQ6x29h4M and here’s are second image https://www.google.com/search?q=foetus& ... WS98SZQ6dM.

[Armeattla]

It... It really doesn't. A fetus is a name used to refer to a young child. An infant is a name used to refer to a young child. Peoples are going to use the terms interchangably.

We literally threw a party two weeks ago to celebrate a colleague's paternity leave.
Guess how everyone referred "the fetus" as? "The baby", "the kiddo", "the little one" and "choupi"; all those same words we had been using ever since he told us that his wife was pregnant.
Guess how no one referred "the fetus" as? "The fetus". Wanna know why? Because we're normal human beings who're able to recognize other human beings as human beings, even if they're still currently in their mother's womb.

Your referring to something that can’t feel pain
Those terms are used informally and that’s fine.

It technically can't simply feel pain.
It technically isnt alive in the first place.

[Islamic Essarn]

Your referring to something that can’t feel pain
Those terms are used informally and that’s fine.

It technically can't simply feel pain.
It technically isnt alive in the first place.

True

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Lets play spot the difference : this is are first picture https://www.google.com/search?q=baby&rl ... fIQ6x29h4M and here’s are second image https://www.google.com/search?q=foetus& ... WS98SZQ6dM.

you missed a chance to say "corporate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures".

[Michel Meilleur]

I have never heard anyone call an infant a fetus.

You just did. Then you immediately started bitching about it.

So no one called it an infant.

I translated the terms, but one of those actually was "enfant". ;^)

You're overthinking it. If they don't abort of miscarry a pregnant person will have a baby. Parties like that are for congratulating the person for being on their way to having one, not congratulating the fetus for being alive.

They're for congratulating someone for having a baby, yeah. You know, the human being that takes 9 months to develop until it comes out. The human being everyone acknowledge as an human being even before he does come out. The human being that everyone refers to using one of the many, many synonyms I listed earlier but never by fetus because it'd be very fucking weird and dehumanizing outside of a purely medical setting because, well, as mentioned earlier, he's an human being.

[Thomasi]

Did anyone else have the feeling of joy and excitement come over you Friday morning when you heard the news? That feeling of pure happiness. That was what it was like while watching the news. Especially after the crap they passed the Wednesday prior with the RiGhT tO oPeN cArRy.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I have never heard anyone call an infant a fetus.

You just did. Then you immediately started bitching about it.

I thought I was being clear about the difference when I linked 2 articles explaining that infancy is the stage after birth, but I guess not.

So no one called it an infant.

I translated the terms, but one of those actually was "enfant". ;^)

Interesting that you didn't mention that earlier.

You're overthinking it. If they don't abort of miscarry a pregnant person will have a baby. Parties like that are for congratulating the person for being on their way to having one, not congratulating the fetus for being alive.

They're for congratulating someone for having a baby, yeah. You know, the human being that takes 9 months to develop until it comes out. The human being everyone acknowledge as an human being even before he does come out. The human being that everyone refers to using one of the many, many synonyms I listed earlier but never by fetus because it'd be very fucking weird and dehumanizing outside of a purely medical setting because, well, as mentioned earlier, he's an human being.

A fetus isn't even a baby, it's the thing that can eventually develop into one. Hell, it takes 6 weeks for the brain to start working and even then it can't really think for months.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Did anyone else have the feeling of joy and excitement come over you Friday morning when you heard the news? That feeling of pure happiness. That was what it was like while watching the news. Especially after the crap they passed the Wednesday prior with the RiGhT tO oPeN cArRy.

Do you need help?

[Diarcesia]

You just did. Then you immediately started bitching about it.

I thought I was being clear about the difference when I linked 2 articles explaining that infancy is the stage after birth, but I guess not.

I translated the terms, but one of those actually was "enfant". ;^)

Interesting that you didn't mention that earlier.

They're for congratulating someone for having a baby, yeah. You know, the human being that takes 9 months to develop until it comes out. The human being everyone acknowledge as an human being even before he does come out. The human being that everyone refers to using one of the many, many synonyms I listed earlier but never by fetus because it'd be very fucking weird and dehumanizing outside of a purely medical setting because, well, as mentioned earlier, he's an human being.

A fetus isn't even a baby, it's the thing that can eventually develop into one. Hell, it takes 6 weeks for the brain to start working and even then it can't really think for months.

Is the fertilized egg at zero weeks a fetus?

Is its development after eight months a fetus?