[Abortion Thread] A Matter of Choice (NEW POLL!)

[The Jamesian Republic]

The other part of the pro-life fight is reforming the social and legal safety nets of the system so people might be less tempted to abort.

Part of the polarization is that the conservatives aren't trusted to reform the safety nets.

I know. But this kind of an FYI for the Pro-Life crowd. Overturning Roe and criminalizing abortion alone is insufficient for any ways to reduce abortion rates.

[Torisakia]

So does this mean that abortions aren't allowed at any point and not that whole "heartbeat at 6 weeks" thing? Cause I have some questions pertaining to the act at 1276 weeks.

[San Lumen]

So does this mean that abortions aren't allowed at any point and not that whole "heartbeat at 6 weeks" thing? Cause I have some questions pertaining to the act at 1276 weeks.

It depends on the state such as in Kentucky

https://www.wlky.com/article/abortions- ... /40406350#

[Sky Citadel]

Tbf that’s not exactly what neutering is.

Still it’s a dumb argument for them to make because it’s not even comparable regardless. An abortion has nothing to do with fertility.

I know, but I highly doubt any man would want their balls chopped off.

It's just the price they have to pay. After all, not loosing their balls proves the society is deeply sexist.

[The Land of the Ephyral]

No point continuing this with you.

I mean, if there is an argument about abortion that does not see women as just people to give birth, then I'm all ears.

The fact you seem to think the female ability to bear life is just an obstacle for women to overcome tells me no such argument, to your mind, could exist. So I won't even attempt it.

[San Lumen]

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-a ... d/40408436

AG O'Connor activates Oklahoma's anti-abortion 'trigger bill' after SCOTUS overturns Roe v. Wade

[Celritannia]

Vesctamies are reversible.

And not having an abortion isn't even a surgery, its a lack of one. What point are you trying to make, I didn't suggest making women have a non-reversible procedure. Do you have ANY good faith or related points.

I mean, 95% of abortions are not surgery procedures anyway. When they occur in the first trimester, it's taking a pill and the fetus basically being a worse period.

[Celritannia]

I mean, if there is an argument about abortion that does not see women as just people to give birth, then I'm all ears.

The fact you seem to think the female ability to bear life is just an obstacle for women to overcome tells me no such argument, to your mind, could exist. So I won't even attempt it.

I am all for women having children if and when they want one, that's their choice.

Forcing that choice, however, is different.

[Di-Camilleri di-Rosica]

You degenerates. It's NOT a woman's body, so it's NOT her choice!

Y'all are slow.

[Myrensis]

Please, if men could get pregnant abortion clinics would be more common than Starbucks and you'd be able to buy the morning after pill in the candy aisle of every grocery store and gas station.

do you really believe that

I doubt it would be illegal in a single state.

[Adamede]

Tbf that’s not exactly what neutering is.

Still it’s a dumb argument for them to make because it’s not even comparable regardless. An abortion has nothing to do with fertility.

I know, but I highly doubt any man would want their balls chopped off.

Hence why I think he used the term “force”.

[Celritannia]

You degenerates. It's NOT a woman's body, so it's NOT her choice!

Y'all are slow.

Who's choice is it then?

[Bear Stearns]

The fact you seem to think the female ability to bear life is just an obstacle for women to overcome tells me no such argument, to your mind, could exist. So I won't even attempt it.

I am all for women having children if and when they want one, that's their choice.

Forcing that choice, however, is different.

i'm not seeing how it's forced

[San Lumen]

You degenerates. It's NOT a woman's body, so it's NOT her choice!

Y'all are slow.

a fetus isn't a person. it has zero rights.

[Sky Citadel]

You degenerates. It's NOT a woman's body, so it's NOT her choice!

Y'all are slow.

Who's choice is it then?

The state's. And the state demands a constant supply of new child soldiers.

[Bear Stearns]

do you really believe that

I doubt it would be illegal in a single state.

if men had six fingers then stores would sell six fingered gloves

[Torisakia]

So does this mean that abortions aren't allowed at any point and not that whole "heartbeat at 6 weeks" thing? Cause I have some questions pertaining to the act at 1276 weeks.

It depends on the state such as in Kentucky

https://www.wlky.com/article/abortions- ... /40406350#

There's gotta be one state or territory out there that allows them past 40 weeks. Surely there is.

I know, but I highly doubt any man would want their balls chopped off.

It's just the price they have to pay. After all, not loosing their balls proves the society is deeply sexist.

It's honestly the only way to settle this dispute once and for all. Abortion banned. Mass sterilization. Biologically engineered humans a la Gattaca. But then we'd end up with some horrible disfigured guy who hates humans and travels back 1000 years in time to rule the world. Very tough decisions all around.

[Bear Stearns]

Who's choice is it then?

The state's. And the state demands a constant supply of new child soldiers.

which is state is demanding this? the US federal government? their go-to plan has long been to import people from overseas.

[The Land of the Ephyral]

Part of the polarization is that the conservatives aren't trusted to reform the safety nets.

I know. But this kind of an FYI for the Pro-Life crowd. Overturning Roe and criminalizing abortion alone is insufficient for any ways to reduce abortion rates.

As always it comes down to culture and society. That said something tells me a lot of people wouldn't like proposed solutions to get our culture to a point where abortion is, broadly, not necessary save for cases that threaten the woman's life and other such issues, since in all likelihood those solutions would depend on a return to more family-oriented communities that destress individualistic enterprise in favour of a more corporatist social construct. As it stands, the existing models for such a social organisation have long been criticised as fascist, patriarchal tyrannies.

So I'd imagine for a lot of conservatives who consider these possibilities, the reality seems rather bleak, since the people who are in favour of access to abortion are also philosophically in favour of the social and economic conditions that make that access, for lack of a better word, necessary.

[Celritannia]

I am all for women having children if and when they want one, that's their choice.

Forcing that choice, however, is different.

i'm not seeing how it's forced

Denying women the right to have an abortion is not forced pregnancy now?

[Godular]

You degenerates. It's NOT a woman's body, so it's NOT her choice!

Y'all are slow.

It's in her body, it should be her choice as to whether it stays.

[Celritannia]

Who's choice is it then?

The state's. And the state demands a constant supply of new child soldiers.

Hmmm...

[Torisakia]

The state's. And the state demands a constant supply of new child soldiers.

which is state is demanding this? the US federal government? their go-to plan has long been to import people from overseas.

My state does. The mines aren't going to run themselves you know.

[Bear Stearns]

i'm not seeing how it's forced

Denying women the right to have an abortion is not forced pregnancy now?

how is pregnancy forced? the only way i could see it forced is if a fertility doctor worked on an unwilling patient, but even then they don't really "force" conception to happen, they just make it more likely. it's like trying to force someone's hair to grow.

[Bear Stearns]

which is state is demanding this? the US federal government? their go-to plan has long been to import people from overseas.

My state does. The mines aren't going to run themselves you know.

your state has child soldiers working in mines?

where the hell do you live