[Abortion Thread] A Matter of Choice (NEW POLL!)

[The Black Forrest]

So states could tap into your phone and track you… Literally 1984.

... Could!?

The NSA and FBI have been doing it since the bloody early 00's.

Shhhh. There are others

[The Jamesian Republic]

"Could"?


lol

Well in a more dystopian explanation. Government tells and rewards apple to place trackers in the iPhones. Hid the app of course. There are groups who look for that. Still trackers are common these days and people are not as concerned about it as they used to be.

Trackers should be made illegal.

Though I guess if you want to find someone who’s missing.

[Sorci]

So states could tap into your phone and track you… Literally 1984.

... Could!?

The NSA and FBI have been doing it since the bloody early 00's.

Funny enough, the NSA has gotten really good at illegally wiretapping and tracking American citizens... and really bad at anything else

[Thomasi]

This is the perfect opertunity to advocate for 10th amendment judges. How hypocritical is it that the supreme court said people have a right to publically conceal carry that can't be restricted by the states yet abortion can be. You can't be "Pro life" and rule that people should have more guns after our astronimically high gun death rate tf.

[Rusozak]

There needs to be a person for it to be murder. By your own admission here, there isn't one. This is like saying crushing an acorn underfoot is the same as chopping down a tree.

I never said personhood begins at birth. I do think that for it to be fully enjoyed the person needs to be born, and that's what abortion's preventing, but there's a person we're talking about way before birth.

What's to be enjoyed in a life the mother felt necessary to prevent, hmm? You people never consider what happens after the child is born. Hell, the same people trying to block abortion in Texas are also trying to stop infants of illegal immigrants from being fed. Will you be there personally to provide a nurturing environment for children that would have been aborted? Will you provide food and money to a mother that's not able to provide for a child?

[The Jamesian Republic]

I never said personhood begins at birth. I do think that for it to be fully enjoyed the person needs to be born, and that's what abortion's preventing, but there's a person we're talking about way before birth.

What's to be enjoyed in a life the mother felt necessary to prevent, hmm? You people never consider what happens after the child is born. Hell, the same people trying to block abortion in Texas are also trying to stop infants of illegal immigrants from being fed. Will you be there personally to provide a nurturing environment for children that would have been aborted? Will you provide food and money to a mother that's not able to provide for a child?

They also want to abolish federal welfare plans because apparently it’s not appropriate for the federal government to do that. Instead they propose charities religious organizations and community based options instead though. I’m not sure if that is enough.

[Riocht mor Daraen]

I never said personhood begins at birth. I do think that for it to be fully enjoyed the person needs to be born, and that's what abortion's preventing, but there's a person we're talking about way before birth.

So I take it you are against contraception for the same reason? Or indeed onanism given that both of those things deny the same potential life?

To be perfectly nuanced before answering your question, there's a difference between a sexual act that can result in fertilization and one that doesn't (like masturbation, be it male or female). But yeah, better if people abstained from onanism.

I never said personhood begins at birth. I do think that for it to be fully enjoyed the person needs to be born, and that's what abortion's preventing, but there's a person we're talking about way before birth.

What makes a person?

I fear this is going down the endlessly discussing semantics route, and to be honest that's weak ground for me as a non-native english speaker. See it like this: Your mother and father, like mine, or whoever else's, are persons. Their son(s) and/or daughter(s) are persons too. My take on the matter it's that they didn't just "become" persons when they came out of their mother's belly, but they were already persons early in the pregnancy. Thus ending the pregnancy at that stage (or afterwards, obviously) concerns not only the pregnant person but them as well.

I never said personhood begins at birth. I do think that for it to be fully enjoyed the person needs to be born, and that's what abortion's preventing, but there's a person we're talking about way before birth.

What's to be enjoyed in a life the mother felt necessary to prevent, hmm? You people never consider what happens after the child is born. Hell, the same people trying to block abortion in Texas are also trying to stop infants of illegal immigrants from being fed. Will you be there personally to provide a nurturing environment for children that would have been aborted? Will you provide food and money to a mother that's not able to provide for a child?

I dunno. What's there to be enjoyed in any life? Making friends? Hugging your loved ones? Petting a dog? Eating ice cream? Walking, sleeping? And yes, Republican legislators in Texas and the rest of the U.S. are ghouls who'd crucify mankind upon a cross of fiscal responsability. Any financial help to new mothers should be freely given out by the government.

[Necroghastia]

So I take it you are against contraception for the same reason? Or indeed onanism given that both of those things deny the same potential life?

To be perfectly nuanced before answering your question, there's a difference between a sexual act that can result in fertilization and one that doesn't (like masturbation, be it male or female). But yeah, better if people abstained from onanism.

What makes a person?

I fear this is going down the endlessly discussing semantics route, and to be honest that's weak ground for me as a non-native english speaker. See it like this: Your mother and father, like mine, or whoever else's, are persons. Their son(s) and/or daughter(s) are persons too. My take on the matter it's that they didn't just "become" persons when they came out of their mother's belly, but they were already persons early in the pregnancy. Thus ending the pregnancy at that stage or after it concerns not only the pregnant person but them as well.

The only way that makes sense is if they become persons after they begin to have coherent brain activity, at which point abortions only happen in case of medical emergency anyway. You have no ground to stand on.

[Kowani]

Tennessee state files emergency motion to move up timeline for abortion restrictions to take effect

[Ifreann]

"Could"?


lol

Well in a more dystopian explanation. Government tells and rewards apple to place trackers in the iPhones. Hid the app of course. There are groups who look for that. Still trackers are common these days and people are not as concerned about it as they used to be.

Government doesn't have to tell people anything, plenty of women already use period tracker apps and the data from them is for sale by the people who make the apps.

[The Black Forrest]

Well in a more dystopian explanation. Government tells and rewards apple to place trackers in the iPhones. Hid the app of course. There are groups who look for that. Still trackers are common these days and people are not as concerned about it as they used to be.

Government doesn't have to tell people anything, plenty of women already use period tracker apps and the data from them is for sale by the people who make the apps.

Indeed. They like their gps oriented info as well.

Like I said I was surprised how people are blasé about the amount of tracking that goes on.

[Riocht mor Daraen]

The only way that makes sense is if they become persons after they begin to have coherent brain activity, at which point abortions only happen in case of medical emergency anyway. You have no ground to stand on.

There's at least 7 states which do allow abortions after the date coherent brain activity generally starts.

[Luziyca]

...fucking hell. I just don't have words to tell you why this is absolutely horrible.

[Necroghastia]

The only way that makes sense is if they become persons after they begin to have coherent brain activity, at which point abortions only happen in case of medical emergency anyway. You have no ground to stand on.

There's at least 7 states which do allow abortions after the date coherent brain activity generally starts.

Do you think that conflicts at all with what I said lmfao

[Stellar Colonies]

Texas AG Ken Paxton celebrates abortion ruling by declaring agency holiday (Dallas News)

Attorney General Ken Paxton made June 24 an agency holiday to mark the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and “commemorate the sanctity of life.”

AUSTIN — Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton declared an agency holiday Friday to celebrate the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

In a news release commenting on the ruling, Paxton said June 24 will now be an agency holiday “in recognition of this momentous decision.” To mark the day, he closed the office and sent most of his 4,000 employee agency home.

According to an internal memo obtained by The Dallas Morning News, staff are required to stop working at noon.

“Today we celebrate life and the protection of the unborn with the U.S. Supreme Court’s reversal of Roe v. Wade,” First Assistant Attorney General Brent Webster wrote. “Going forward, today will be an annual agency holiday to commemorate the sanctity of life.”

Employees required to work from home “due to non-discretionary reasons” must request approval to do so from Webster and coordinate with human resources “if approval is granted,” the memo added. Staff who must work will receive comp time, employees were told.

Paxton, a Republican, is up for re-election this year. He faces Democrat Rochelle Garza in the November general election.

Paxton has the power to release his employees, a former agency head told The News. This authority is usually exercised around the holidays or, on a more limited basis, to respond to extreme weather events, they said.

“I don’t know of anything that prevents him from doing so,” said Claire Bow, the former head of the State Office of Risk Management. “I cannot think of another example of the AG’s office closing and declaring an office holiday for a court ruling. That’s unprecedented to everything I know.”

The ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson, which was released Friday morning, struck down the Roe ruling creating a constitutional right to access abortion.

In 2021, Texas lawmakers passed a so-called trigger law to essentially outlaw abortion. The law will go into effect in 30 days; in the meantime, the state’s six week abortion ban remains in place.

[Necroghastia]

Texas AG Ken Paxton celebrates abortion ruling by declaring agency holiday (Dallas News)

Attorney General Ken Paxton made June 24 an agency holiday to mark the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and “commemorate the sanctity of life.”

AUSTIN — Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton declared an agency holiday Friday to celebrate the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

In a news release commenting on the ruling, Paxton said June 24 will now be an agency holiday “in recognition of this momentous decision.” To mark the day, he closed the office and sent most of his 4,000 employee agency home.

According to an internal memo obtained by The Dallas Morning News, staff are required to stop working at noon.

“Today we celebrate life and the protection of the unborn with the U.S. Supreme Court’s reversal of Roe v. Wade,” First Assistant Attorney General Brent Webster wrote. “Going forward, today will be an annual agency holiday to commemorate the sanctity of life.”

Employees required to work from home “due to non-discretionary reasons” must request approval to do so from Webster and coordinate with human resources “if approval is granted,” the memo added. Staff who must work will receive comp time, employees were told.

Paxton, a Republican, is up for re-election this year. He faces Democrat Rochelle Garza in the November general election.

Paxton has the power to release his employees, a former agency head told The News. This authority is usually exercised around the holidays or, on a more limited basis, to respond to extreme weather events, they said.

“I don’t know of anything that prevents him from doing so,” said Claire Bow, the former head of the State Office of Risk Management. “I cannot think of another example of the AG’s office closing and declaring an office holiday for a court ruling. That’s unprecedented to everything I know.”

The ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson, which was released Friday morning, struck down the Roe ruling creating a constitutional right to access abortion.

In 2021, Texas lawmakers passed a so-called trigger law to essentially outlaw abortion. The law will go into effect in 30 days; in the meantime, the state’s six week abortion ban remains in place.

Good lord, what a douchebag.

[Ethel mermania]

There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. The ruling is correct.

[Necroghastia]

There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. The ruling is correct.

Yes there is.

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,

[The Alma Mater]

There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. The ruling is correct.

Is there a right to bodily autonomy?

[Sutalia]

As I've said before, this matter should have been left to legislatures, not the courts. This was long overdue.

[Ifreann]

There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. The ruling is correct.

A great comfort that will surely be for those who suffer and die because of this ruling.

[Thomasi]

There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. The ruling is correct.

Is there a right to bodily autonomy?

No there is not, the right to an abortion was predicated on a right to privacy which does not exist. The 4th amendment was used but that only pertains to due process and protections when it comes to criminal matters.

The fact of the matter is all the constitution requires states do is treat everyone equally under the law. Which is not the same as respecting the privacy thereof.

[Katganistan]

Execute rapists.

[Necroghastia]

As I've said before, this matter should have been left to legislatures, not the courts. This was long overdue.

Why should the rights to one's own body not be ensured?

[Necroghastia]

There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. The ruling is correct.

Is there a right to bodily autonomy?

There is.

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,