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What is your position on State Referenda enshrining Abortion as a constitutional right?

All states should do it! If any states haven't, they damn well need to!
225
54%
The states should raise the standards for passage to 60% or higher, where applicable!
32
8%
The state governments should do all they can to block these referenda!
114
27%
I for one welcome sugary oblivion! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu is a part of my balanced breakfast!
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11%
 
Total votes : 417

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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:12 am

Thomasi wrote:Missouri is the first state to fully ban abortion


Source?

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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:12 am

Untecna wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:they both fucking suck.

nazis and fascists all killed people unreasonably..racism is unreasoble and anti-science

Look, tbh, I also see no reason to engage with you, seeing as you apparently advocate for a complete self-destruction of democracy in favor of a corrupt totalitarian empire of proto-fascism, which is a bit odd considering that you would be affected by such a state as well.

i wouldn't care one bit being under an AI dominated state. if youre so secure than engage in discourse with me. if you question your own beliefs, then good.

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Penguin Union Nation wrote:It’s sickening, what’s happening to this country. Next will be same sex marriage, then interracial marriage, contraceptive rights, etc. We’re becoming a Christofascist state run by a minority of radical fanatics the majority of Americans disagree with. But we’ve become too complacent to do anything about it.

i'm unironically considering moving out the country if i ever get the chance

unfortunately i'll probably be stuck in wage slavery for the rest of my life! yay capitalism!

kids these days are so dramatic and im 17

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Untecna wrote:We champion democracy? Shit, that's the funniest thing I've heard so far.

Well, isn't that why the US are invading countries in the Middle East? :p

(Joking)

Also sorry for the threadjack.

dont accuse me of being from the vile country that is america
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The Land of the Ephyral
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:12 am

If women just carry out the sex strike they keep threatening to do whenever this topic comes up, they'll have eliminated the #1 need for abortion.

But I've already seen the general attitude here swing towards the idea that abstaining from sex with people you have no intention of having a future with is not something women can be expected to do.

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Thomasi
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Postby Thomasi » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:13 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Thomasi wrote:Missouri is the first state to fully ban abortion


Source?


https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-06-24/mi ... -pregnancy
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Libertyvilla
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:13 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:If women just carry out the sex strike they keep threatening to do whenever this topic comes up, they'll have eliminated the #1 need for abortion.

But I've already seen the general attitude here swing towards the idea that abstaining from sex with people you have no intention of having a future with is not something women can be expected to do.

exsctly. And men too.
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Untecna
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:13 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Untecna wrote:We champion democracy? Shit, that's the funniest thing I've heard so far.

yeah you americans do and its fucking disgusting. you dont believe it because you didn't get the result you want so its not democracy anymore boohoo

all you americans do is spread democracy that nobody wants
its time for a change

We have a two-party "democracy" that just has two capitalist sides arguing with each other over whether or not people should be oppressed, while the entire country is dealing with much more pressing matters.

We don't champion democracy.
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Postby Barlyy » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:13 am

Good luck to the Americans, and welcome to the conservative-led club. You'll fit right in with us Turks. :lol2:
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 am

Hispida wrote:
Penguin Union Nation wrote:It’s sickening, what’s happening to this country. Next will be same sex marriage, then interracial marriage, contraceptive rights, etc. We’re becoming a Christofascist state run by a minority of radical fanatics the majority of Americans disagree with. But we’ve become too complacent to do anything about it.

i'm unironically considering moving out the country if i ever get the chance

unfortunately i'll probably be stuck in wage slavery for the rest of my life! yay capitalism!

don't buy new phones lol
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 am

Libertyvilla wrote:dont accuse me of being from the vile country that is america

So... you from the shithole that's Blagoveshchensk? <.<
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Free Algerstonia
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 am

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Untecna
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 am

Barlyy wrote:Good luck to the Americans, and welcome to the conservative-led club. You'll fit right in with us Turks. :lol2:

Fucking shit I should've expected you to say something
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 am

Barlyy wrote:Good luck to the Americans, and welcome to the conservative-led club. You'll fit right in with us Turks. :lol2:


Women dying isn't funny.
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Postby Page » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:15 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:If women just carry out the sex strike they keep threatening to do whenever this topic comes up, they'll have eliminated the #1 need for abortion.

But I've already seen the general attitude here swing towards the idea that abstaining from sex with people you have no intention of having a future with is not something women can be expected to do.


Women like sex, you know. Are you going to do a sex strike or a hunger strike or deprive yourself of something to protest laws unfair to you?
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:15 am

Untecna wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:yeah you americans do and its fucking disgusting. you dont believe it because you didn't get the result you want so its not democracy anymore boohoo

all you americans do is spread democracy that nobody wants
its time for a change

We have a two-party "democracy" that just has two capitalist sides arguing with each other over whether or not people should be oppressed, while the entire country is dealing with much more pressing matters.

We don't champion democracy.

yes you do and its fucking disgusting. you dont like it so its not democracy anymore? cringe. stop championing such a failed system!

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:dont accuse me of being from the vile country that is america

So... you from the shithole that's Blagoveshchensk? <.<

Im norwegian but we live in america and i hate it. so liberal. so "free". its disgusting
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Survivors of Yekaterinburg
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Postby Survivors of Yekaterinburg » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:16 am

I absolutely agree with women having access to abortions.
I agree more with each state working that out for themselves.
I am absolutely thrilled with how this century all the progress is going to be made from the rights perspective. I wish I could read about it in history books.

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Libertyvilla
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:16 am

Page wrote:
The Land of the Ephyral wrote:If women just carry out the sex strike they keep threatening to do whenever this topic comes up, they'll have eliminated the #1 need for abortion.

But I've already seen the general attitude here swing towards the idea that abstaining from sex with people you have no intention of having a future with is not something women can be expected to do.


Women like sex, you know. Are you going to do a sex strike or a hunger strike or deprive yourself of something to protest laws unfair to you?

plenty of people do it
you sct like its a big deal
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:17 am

Libertyvilla wrote:Im norwegian but we live in america and i hate it. so liberal. so "free". its disgusting

Consider moving to Blagoveshchensk then. I'm sure you'll enjoy having the Russian state doing all the hard thinking business for you.
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Postby Page » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:17 am

Survivors of Yekaterinburg wrote:I agree more with each state working that out for themselves.


Like each state working out ending slavery for themselves, that sure worked out well!
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:17 am

Survivors of Yekaterinburg wrote:I absolutely agree with women having access to abortions.
I agree more with each state working that out for themselves.
I am absolutely thrilled with how this century all the progress is going to be made from the rights perspective. I wish I could read about it in history books.


Apparently rights being stripped away is progress now?
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:17 am

Sordhau wrote:
Barlyy wrote:Good luck to the Americans, and welcome to the conservative-led club. You'll fit right in with us Turks. :lol2:


Women dying isn't funny.

so dramatic boohooo
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Libertyvilla
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:17 am

Vassenor wrote:
Survivors of Yekaterinburg wrote:I absolutely agree with women having access to abortions.
I agree more with each state working that out for themselves.
I am absolutely thrilled with how this century all the progress is going to be made from the rights perspective. I wish I could read about it in history books.


Apparently rights being stripped away is progress now?

it is.

progress is submission to science, reason, anti-religion, atheism, and the state
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:If women just carry out the sex strike they keep threatening to do whenever this topic comes up, they'll have eliminated the #1 need for abortion.

But I've already seen the general attitude here swing towards the idea that abstaining from sex with people you have no intention of having a future with is not something women can be expected to do.

I expect women will take more productive courses of action, like throwing bricks and starting fires.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am

Survivors of Yekaterinburg wrote:I absolutely agree with women having access to abortions.
I agree more with each state working that out for themselves.
I am absolutely thrilled with how this century all the progress is going to be made from the rights perspective. I wish I could read about it in history books.

You are thrilled that the American South gets to reimpose slavery on people?
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The Land of the Ephyral
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am

Page wrote:
The Land of the Ephyral wrote:If women just carry out the sex strike they keep threatening to do whenever this topic comes up, they'll have eliminated the #1 need for abortion.

But I've already seen the general attitude here swing towards the idea that abstaining from sex with people you have no intention of having a future with is not something women can be expected to do.


Women like sex, you know. Are you going to do a sex strike or a hunger strike or deprive yourself of something to protest laws unfair to you?


I never quite understood the threat to begin with. It's not as if anti-abortion males overlap massively with the male demographic that thinks hook-up culture and casual sex have been good for society. The only men such a strike is seriously likely to alarm are men who depend on abortion access to give women the comfort to have sex with them.

Men to whom this does not apply are probably going to marry women who share many of the same values.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Women dying isn't funny.

so dramatic boohooo


Is it really being dramatic if it's actually happening right now in the world?

Fears for US woman's life as abortion denied in Malta

Andrea and Jay never thought they'd be in this situation: praying that their baby daughter's heart stops beating before Andrea develops a deadly infection.

The couple, from the US, were on holiday in Malta when Andrea Prudente, who's 16-weeks pregnant, started losing blood. Doctors told her the placenta was partly detached and her pregnancy was no longer viable.

But the baby's heart was still beating - and in Malta this means that by law doctors cannot end the pregnancy.

For the past week, the couple have been stuck in a hospital room, waiting.

"We're sitting here with the understanding that if she goes into labour, then the hospital will engage. If the baby's heart stops, they will help with that. Other than that, they won't do anything," Jay Weeldreyer tells me over the phone.

His voice is tired and angry. He worries Andrea's condition could change rapidly at any time.
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