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Land/Property Tax
23
15%
Sales Tax
18
12%
Income Tax
16
10%
No Taxes at All!
8
5%
Tax Transparency (Choose where tax money goes)
17
11%
Reverse Tax (Government Pays You!)
13
8%
Business Tax
23
15%
Flat Tax
7
5%
Progressive Tax
24
16%
Other (Comment Below)
5
3%
 
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Postby Umeria » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:37 am

Hukhalia wrote:
Umeria wrote:"We can't have good things becuase then people won't be desperate enough to overthrow the government! Don't fall for the trap, this is how we got Hitler"

Well no it's more to do with the fact that America itself is just the logical conclusion of nazism and any attempt to pick and choose with its politics its like asking for Speer or Goebbels or Strasser instead of Hitler.

I'd say there's a pretty big difference between those two things, if only due to the fact that Nazi Germany had no free speech. Advocating for change would get you killed, so violence was the only option. This is not true in America.
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Postby Hukhalia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:44 am

Umeria wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:Well no it's more to do with the fact that America itself is just the logical conclusion of nazism and any attempt to pick and choose with its politics its like asking for Speer or Goebbels or Strasser instead of Hitler.

I'd say there's a pretty big difference between those two things, if only due to the fact that Nazi Germany had no free speech. Advocating for change would get you killed, so violence was the only option. This is not true in America.

hey fred hampton has something to say about that
"It was this alone that drew so many Europeans to colonial North America: the dream in the settler mind of each man becoming a petty lord of his own land. Thus, the tradition of individualism and egalitarianism in America was rooted in the poisoned concept of equal privileges for a new nation of European conquerors." J. Sakai

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Postby Khurkhogur » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:53 am

Libertyvilla wrote:i like one world governments, but america is cringe

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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:57 am

Hukhalia wrote:
Umeria wrote:I'd say there's a pretty big difference between those two things, if only due to the fact that Nazi Germany had no free speech. Advocating for change would get you killed, so violence was the only option. This is not true in America.

hey fred hampton has something to say about that

and MLK
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Postby Torisakia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:51 pm

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Postby Free Ravensburg » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:57 pm

Torisakia wrote:The Disney era of Power Rangers is not as bad as everyone says it is.

It was a whole lot better than recycling super all seasons (series)
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Postby Meadowfields » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:57 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Umeria wrote:"We can't have good things becuase then people won't be desperate enough to overthrow the government! Don't fall for the trap, this is how we got Hitler"

Well no it's more to do with the fact that America itself is just the logical conclusion of nazism and any attempt to pick and choose with its politics its like asking for Speer or Goebbels or Strasser instead of Hitler.

Says the literal Stalinist.
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:59 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:Well no it's more to do with the fact that America itself is just the logical conclusion of nazism and any attempt to pick and choose with its politics its like asking for Speer or Goebbels or Strasser instead of Hitler.

Says the literal Stalinist.

FYI he's the reason that "Stalin and Mao as titans of democracy" is a poll option.
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Postby Meadowfields » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:00 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:Says the literal Stalinist.

FYI he's the reason that "Stalin and Mao as titans of democracy" is a poll option.

I know that, I've read every post in this thread.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:18 pm

I would like Farn to explain what exactly the flame was in the last thread. Does he actually believe i think secession from the US should be punishable by death
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:19 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Umeria wrote:"We can't have good things becuase then people won't be desperate enough to overthrow the government! Don't fall for the trap, this is how we got Hitler"

Well no it's more to do with the fact that America itself is just the logical conclusion of nazism and any attempt to pick and choose with its politics its like asking for Speer or Goebbels or Strasser instead of Hitler.


it is? i was not informed at the last right-wing hate group happy hour. this would be news to us.
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Postby Meadowfields » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:20 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I would like Farn to explain what exactly the flame was in the last thread. Does he actually believe i think secession from the US should be punishable by death

"i am a totally rational person and not an insane jingoist."
Yeah, this line really states that it is sarcasm. Who tf uses "totally" when saying they are rational?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:21 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I would like Farn to explain what exactly the flame was in the last thread. Does he actually believe i think secession from the US should be punishable by death

"i am a totally rational person and not an insane jingoist."
Yeah, this line really states that it is sarcasm. Who tf uses "totally" when saying they are rational?


totally dude
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Postby Hamidiye » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:11 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:Says the literal Stalinist.

FYI he's the reason that "Stalin and Mao as titans of democracy" is a poll option.


I request the next poll to have my special then: "Enver Pasha did nothing wrong!"

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Postby Meadowfields » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:12 pm

Hamidiye wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:FYI he's the reason that "Stalin and Mao as titans of democracy" is a poll option.


I request the next poll to have my special then: "Enver Pasha did nothing wrong!"

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Luckily we don't have anyone saying "Hitler did nothing wrong!" or mods would shut this thread down the millisecond they see it.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:14 pm

while the average american probably isn't the most politically informed and is generally speaking a well-intentioned normie, saying that bad things happen because the american public is stupid/uneducated/backwards is pretty weak sauce.

bad things happen because evil people are at the levers of power, not because normies like watching television and beer.
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Postby Meadowfields » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:17 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:while the average american probably isn't the most political informed and is generally speaking a well-intentioned normie, saying that bad things happen because the american public is stupid/uneducated/backwards is pretty weak sauce.

bad things happen because evil people are at the levers of power, not because normies like watching television and beer.

Exactly.
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Postby Hamidiye » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:36 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
Hamidiye wrote:
I request the next poll to have my special then: "Enver Pasha did nothing wrong!"

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Luckily we don't have anyone saying "Hitler did nothing wrong!" or mods would shut this thread down the millisecond they see it.


It always amazes me how little meme-awareness these people have. Apropos meme, did you know that "meme" means "boobies" in turkish? :D
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Postby Meadowfields » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:37 pm

Hamidiye wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:Luckily we don't have anyone saying "Hitler did nothing wrong!" or mods would shut this thread down the millisecond they see it.


It always amazes me how little meme-awareness these people have. Apropos meme, did you know that "meme" means "boobies" in turkish? :D

Oh, really.
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Umeria
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Postby Umeria » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:42 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Umeria wrote:I'd say there's a pretty big difference between those two things, if only due to the fact that Nazi Germany had no free speech. Advocating for change would get you killed, so violence was the only option. This is not true in America.

hey fred hampton has something to say about that

Fred Hampton, in your view, would be "functionally adjacent" to a Nazi becuase he didn't attempt a coup.
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Postby Hamidiye » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:43 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
Hamidiye wrote:
It always amazes me how little meme-awareness these people have. Apropos meme, did you know that "meme" means "boobies" in turkish? :D

Oh, really.


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:D
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:45 pm

Umeria wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:Well no it's more to do with the fact that America itself is just the logical conclusion of nazism and any attempt to pick and choose with its politics its like asking for Speer or Goebbels or Strasser instead of Hitler.

I'd say there's a pretty big difference between those two things, if only due to the fact that Nazi Germany had no free speech. Advocating for change would get you killed, so violence was the only option. This is not true in America.


actual nazis generally consider the united states as antithetical to what they stand for.
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Postby Hamidiye » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Umeria wrote:I'd say there's a pretty big difference between those two things, if only due to the fact that Nazi Germany had no free speech. Advocating for change would get you killed, so violence was the only option. This is not true in America.


actual nazis generally consider the united states as antithetical to what they stand for.


Hot Take: sending everybody we didn't like over to the water for a century really came to bite us in the ass back here in old europe.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:52 pm

Hamidiye wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
actual nazis generally consider the united states as antithetical to what they stand for.


Hot Take: sending everybody we didn't like over to the water for a century really came to bite us in the ass back here in old europe.


yeah we got the good ones.
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HISPIDA
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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:11 pm

ok actual hot take: italy unironically WAS the biggest (axis) winner in WW2

think about it

- got to keep (most of) their territorial integrity
- got to keep parts of their colonial empire
- became a partner of the west
- still a great(ish) power

germany was divided and japan became japan but italy kinda rocked it after the war
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