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What taxes do you support? (Courtesy of the Jamesian Republic)

Land/Property Tax
23
15%
Sales Tax
18
12%
Income Tax
16
10%
No Taxes at All!
8
5%
Tax Transparency (Choose where tax money goes)
17
11%
Reverse Tax (Government Pays You!)
13
8%
Business Tax
23
15%
Flat Tax
7
5%
Progressive Tax
24
16%
Other (Comment Below)
5
3%
 
Total votes : 154

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Pan-Pacific Unity
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Founded: Jul 04, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Pan-Pacific Unity » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:47 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Pan-Pacific Unity wrote:I'm not sure you understand the consequences of a large-scale nuclear exchange. Or even a limited nuclear exchange.

That would be completely Russia's fault in this case since they would kill millions of people for no long term gain. Hell, no short term gain as well.

Not many people are going to care about the blame game when radioactive ash is raining down.
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Port Caverton
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:48 pm

Red Lake Circle wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:That would be completely Russia's fault in this case since they would kill millions of people for no long term gain. Hell, no short term gain as well.

Again, you're doing something that you know for a fact would fuck the world, but you're okay with it bc in your head you can shift the blame to Russia.

Death Ideology Moment

Russia isn't being forced to launch nukes.
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Torisakia
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Posts: 16473
Founded: Jun 04, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Torisakia » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:48 pm

Red Lake Circle wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:That would be completely Russia's fault in this case since they would kill millions of people for no long term gain. Hell, no short term gain as well.

Again, you're doing something that you know for a fact would fuck the world, but you're okay with it bc in your head you can shift the blame to Russia.

Death Ideology Moment

World could kinda do with a reset too. Have you seen what they’re charging for boiled peanuts now? I say that’s worthy of a nuclear strike.
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Torisakia
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Founded: Jun 04, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Torisakia » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:49 pm

Luminesa wrote:Hot takes!

My time to shine!

Pierogis are sandwiches.
Tacos are sandwiches.
Sushi is a sandwich!
Burritos are sandwiches.
Pizza is an open-faced sandwich.
Cheesecake is a sweet sandwich!
Eclaires are cream sandwiches.
Empanadas are sandwiches!
Pies are sandwiches. (And empanadas are just mini-pies, therefore it is a biconditional.)

Everything is a sandwich if you do it right.
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Red Lake Circle
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Founded: May 05, 2022
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Red Lake Circle » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:49 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:Again, you're doing something that you know for a fact would fuck the world, but you're okay with it bc in your head you can shift the blame to Russia.

Death Ideology Moment

Russia isn't being forced to launch nukes.

You're advocating for provoking them into doing so.

Torisakia wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:Again, you're doing something that you know for a fact would fuck the world, but you're okay with it bc in your head you can shift the blame to Russia.

Death Ideology Moment

World could kinda do with a reset too. Have you seen what they’re charging for boiled peanuts now? I say that’s worthy of a nuclear strike.

...you make a good point...
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Mets Hayk
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Founded: May 14, 2022
Corporate Police State

Postby Mets Hayk » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:49 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:Again, you're doing something that you know for a fact would fuck the world, but you're okay with it bc in your head you can shift the blame to Russia.

Death Ideology Moment

Russia isn't being forced to launch nukes.

Neither was the United States, but they did it anyways. Remember Hiroshima? Nagasaki?
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Meadowfields
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Founded: Jun 16, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Meadowfields » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:49 pm

Luminesa wrote:Hot takes!

My time to shine!

Pierogis are sandwiches.
Tacos are sandwiches.
Sushi is a sandwich!
Burritos are sandwiches.
Pizza is an open-faced sandwich.
Cheesecake is a sweet sandwich!
Eclaires are cream sandwiches.
Empanadas are sandwiches!
Pies are sandwiches. (And empanadas are just mini-pies, therefore it is a biconditional.)

What the...no
The only thing on your list that is remotely close to a sandwich is tacos.
A sandwich is two pieces of bread with food fully in between. Period.
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The House of Hamid
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Founded: Jun 27, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby The House of Hamid » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:50 pm

Mets Hayk wrote:
The House of Hamid wrote:
Image


As much as I hate the Reds, they gave Enver what he deserved: an undignified, and (hopefully) painful death.


Here, have some music.
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Khurkhogur
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Founded: Jun 02, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Khurkhogur » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:50 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Khurkhogur wrote:"It's not our fault"
Again, "who started it" is a meaningless topic. If you take an action that you know will lead to catastrophe, it is your fault, because everyone suffers.
"We all died in a thermonuclear exchange but hey, at least I proved that the Russians are the real baddies!"

Nukes being sent to those won't lead to a catastrophe. Putin launching nukes for no reason will.

Are you just not reading what we're writing? Or what
If you create a scenario where a nuclear exchange is a likelihood, it is not important who you blame for it. You will be dead. The person who started it will be dead. Everyone will be dead, and blame will not matter. You will not be able to take the moral high ground, it will not exist anymore.
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The Front Range
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Founded: May 13, 2022
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby The Front Range » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:51 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Pan-Pacific Unity wrote:I'm not sure you understand the consequences of a large-scale nuclear exchange. Or even a limited nuclear exchange.

That would be completely Russia's fault in this case since they would kill millions of people for no long term gain. Hell, no short term gain as well.

How to say you know nothing about basic nuclear science/weather with out saying you know nothing about basic nuclear science/weather
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A bad worldbuilder and a bad shitposter

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Red Lake Circle
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Founded: May 05, 2022
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Red Lake Circle » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:51 pm

Y'know, before interacting with Caverton, I wasn't sure, but now I can post a very confident hot take

Neoconservatism is a death cult
✶ ✶ ✶ The Naturalist Federation of Laguzrauth ✶ ✶ ✶
"For Nature and Liberty!"
- AHAKS NEWS RADIO -
01/15/1583 2000 GST: The trial for the murder of Faurgamu Reiks, the former head of National Revival who had connections to the terrorist group the Harjis Witoth, comes to a conclusion. Both Awareik Fairgunein and Hawi Marthal were convicted of second-degree murder. The public has a mixed response, with some agreeing with the sentencing and others believing the killing was justified. Presiding judge Aiktriu K. Kam responds, "I stand with the law, not public opinion."
Red Lake does not necssarily represent my personal views. I promise I'll make a tech factbook eventually. NS stats didn't respect the wildlife and got mauled. Language is Gothic.

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Port Caverton
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Founded: Oct 01, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:51 pm

Mets Hayk wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Russia isn't being forced to launch nukes.

Neither was the United States, but they did it anyways. Remember Hiroshima? Nagasaki?

Invading Japan would have resulted in more deaths though.

Plus Japan didn't have nukes. Russia does.
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

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Red Lake Circle
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Founded: May 05, 2022
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Red Lake Circle » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:51 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Mets Hayk wrote:Neither was the United States, but they did it anyways. Remember Hiroshima? Nagasaki?

Invading Japan would have resulted in more deaths though.

Plus Japan didn't have nukes. Russia does.

Invading Japan was never actually on the table
✶ ✶ ✶ The Naturalist Federation of Laguzrauth ✶ ✶ ✶
"For Nature and Liberty!"
- AHAKS NEWS RADIO -
01/15/1583 2000 GST: The trial for the murder of Faurgamu Reiks, the former head of National Revival who had connections to the terrorist group the Harjis Witoth, comes to a conclusion. Both Awareik Fairgunein and Hawi Marthal were convicted of second-degree murder. The public has a mixed response, with some agreeing with the sentencing and others believing the killing was justified. Presiding judge Aiktriu K. Kam responds, "I stand with the law, not public opinion."
Red Lake does not necssarily represent my personal views. I promise I'll make a tech factbook eventually. NS stats didn't respect the wildlife and got mauled. Language is Gothic.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:52 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:Hot Take:

There's only one system that I can endorse. Democracy. The will of the people must be followed. Anyone that subverts it must be stopped. If the vote says we will have more socialisation and less capitalism that is what must be done, and vice versa. A strong state, a democracy made of Iron! Not for sale, and not undermined by communist vanguards or racist nazi-scum or any other kind of *****s. A truly neutral law, for everybody. The state needs to protect the freedoms of its citizens from all threat, no matter the origin. That one Mao got right, with his Mass Line idea: only the collective will of a mass of people is a driving force for change or for conservation. Every citizen the same voice and vote, majority is followed. There is no other system worth a damn.


This^

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Mets Hayk
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Founded: May 14, 2022
Corporate Police State

Postby Mets Hayk » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:52 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:
Mets Hayk wrote:
As much as I hate the Reds, they gave Enver what he deserved: an undignified, and (hopefully) painful death.


Here, have some music.


And here's some for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgCx-Q-DCzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9CS8u2y4HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqc83sqf9G0
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Khurkhogur
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Founded: Jun 02, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Khurkhogur » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:53 pm

Mets Hayk wrote:As much as I hate the Reds, they gave Enver what he deserved: an undignified, and (hopefully) painful death.

Earlier you asked how Hamid can claim to be a proponent of pure democracy while also supporting ethnic cleansing and imperialism. I'll try to answer with a post I made earlier in this thread that I think addresses the issue perfectly.
Khurkhogur wrote:Nationalism and liberalism are fundamentally intertwined. Traditionally, feudal societies put certain ethnic groups into certain roles. For example Jews were relegated to certain jobs in medieval Europe, Christian slaves made up the soldiery of many Muslim states, Cossacks and Tatars were cavalrymen/explorers for the Russian empire, etc. The development of a nation creates a homogeneous state where there are no such ethno-religious classes. This means that social mobility becomes possible for people who are members of the nation - leading to liberalism, capitalism, and democracy.

People only get to have rights if they're a member of the nation. Why do you think that democracies like the US, France, or Britain regularly treat immigrants so badly? People who aren't a member of the nation don't get the same protections as those who are. That's how liberalism works.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:54 pm

Red Lake Circle wrote:Y'know, before interacting with Caverton, I wasn't sure, but now I can post a very confident hot take

Neoconservatism is a death cult


Supernova x 1000 Take: NSG is a death cult.

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Meadowfields
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Founded: Jun 16, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Meadowfields » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:54 pm

I'm not really sure I want to continue here. Most takes are too cold, and the hot ones descend into pages of arguments with points that sometimes make no sense. And then there's gloating everywhere.
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The Front Range
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Founded: May 13, 2022
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby The Front Range » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:54 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:Y'know, before interacting with Caverton, I wasn't sure, but now I can post a very confident hot take

Neoconservatism is a death cult


Supernova x 1000 Take: NSG is a death cult.

NSG is like a high school debate team but 4chan
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Red Lake Circle
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Founded: May 05, 2022
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Red Lake Circle » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:55 pm

The Front Range wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Supernova x 1000 Take: NSG is a death cult.

NSG is like a high school debate club but 4chan

Except we're more insufferable than a high school debate club
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"For Nature and Liberty!"
- AHAKS NEWS RADIO -
01/15/1583 2000 GST: The trial for the murder of Faurgamu Reiks, the former head of National Revival who had connections to the terrorist group the Harjis Witoth, comes to a conclusion. Both Awareik Fairgunein and Hawi Marthal were convicted of second-degree murder. The public has a mixed response, with some agreeing with the sentencing and others believing the killing was justified. Presiding judge Aiktriu K. Kam responds, "I stand with the law, not public opinion."
Red Lake does not necssarily represent my personal views. I promise I'll make a tech factbook eventually. NS stats didn't respect the wildlife and got mauled. Language is Gothic.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:55 pm

The Front Range wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Supernova x 1000 Take: NSG is a death cult.

NSG is like a high school debate team but 4chan


That is also a death cult

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Meadowfields
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Founded: Jun 16, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Meadowfields » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:56 pm

The Front Range wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Supernova x 1000 Take: NSG is a death cult.

NSG is like a high school debate team but 4chan

NSG is like a high school debate team but it then descends into madness, brain-cancer, dark-magic fuckery, and ultra-flaming to the point that someone says "go fucking kill yourself".
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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:56 pm

Hot Take: Alabama should have nukes.

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Port Caverton
Senator
 
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Founded: Oct 01, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:57 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
The Front Range wrote:NSG is like a high school debate team but 4chan

NSG is like a high school debate team but it then descends into madness, brain-cancer, dark-magic fuckery, and ultra-flaming to the point that someone says "go fucking kill yourself".

NSG is actually the most sane social media website.
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Pan-Pacific Unity
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Founded: Jul 04, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Pan-Pacific Unity » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:57 pm

The Front Range wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:That would be completely Russia's fault in this case since they would kill millions of people for no long term gain. Hell, no short term gain as well.

How to say you know nothing about basic nuclear science/weather with out saying you know nothing about basic nuclear science/weather

Even a relatively small and geographically limited nuclear war would be globally devastating.
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