Hot Takes Discussion II: NATO is the Greatest Thing Ever

[The House of Hamid]

I'll just ignore the absurdity of pissing off China here, nbot even Donald Dump would have been that stupid.

Man, ever since you invaded Afghanistan back in '03 you've basically been at war continuously. We know you don't give a *** how that went for the regions youn destroyed, but how did that work out for you? Next year it's gonna be your bicentenary, will you celebrate?

*Iraq. Afghanistan was in 2001.

Oh, it's been over 2 decades already! So... how did it work out for the americans then? Did life improove? Did it become more joyous?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: The Jamesian Republic should invade every country on the planet.

No. That goes against the whole point of the mutualism and distributism you claim to believe in. That would just make you a moderate Trotskyist.

Lol.

[Port Caverton]

Marx was a lib.

I... uh... what? in what sense was Marx a liberal? if I recall - I may be wrong - he was strongly opposed to capitalism, which is like, a major part of liberalism.

LIberalism = anything I dislike

[The Jamesian Republic]

I... uh... what? in what sense was Marx a liberal? if I recall - I may be wrong - he was strongly opposed to capitalism, which is like, a major part of liberalism.

LIberalism = anything I dislike

Neoconservatism = Trotskyism.

[The House of Hamid]

I... uh... what? in what sense was Marx a liberal? if I recall - I may be wrong - he was strongly opposed to capitalism, which is like, a major part of liberalism.

LIberalism = anything I dislike

Based!

[Meadowfields]

LIberalism = anything I dislike

Neoconservatism = Trotskyism.

*Trotskyism but capitalist

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

I... uh... what? in what sense was Marx a liberal? if I recall - I may be wrong - he was strongly opposed to capitalism, which is like, a major part of liberalism.

LIberalism = anything I dislike

with every post, you increasingly become a parody of yourself.

[The Jamesian Republic]

LIberalism = anything I dislike

with every post, you increasingly become a parody of yourself.

Maybe that’s the point.

[Red Lake Circle]

LIberalism = anything I dislike

Neoconservatism = Trotskyism.

As I’ve long said, Trotskyism is the left-wing equivalent of neoconservatism. It’s hawkish, disagreeable, and no one in its political faction particularly likes it.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: The United States should pay other countries to invade countries we don’t like.

[The Front Range]

*Iraq. Afghanistan was in 2001.

Oh, it's been over 2 decades already! So... how did it work out for the americans then? Did life improove? Did it become more joyous?

I live in Ohio, life quality has been generally declining since the 60s

[Khurkhogur]

with every post, you increasingly become a parody of yourself.

Maybe that’s the point.

[Pan-Pacific Unity]

I don't necessarily think such societal change could happen by itself, though. Pushing capitalism forward doesn't necessarily guarantee that it will collapse by itself, unless you mean that the populace after seeing an accelerated capitalist society would start to despise it and turn to communism, which is still unlikely.

The thing is, it doesn't happen by itself. Capitalism suffuses all aspects of society, it is a fully integrated socioeconomic system that assimilates everything into itself. The populace are components of this system, not external to it in any meaningful way. Furthermore, the process of capitalist development is also the process of anti-capitalism, as capitalism's own internal contradictions sets the stage for its negation. It produces its own gravediggers, as Marx put it.

[Port Caverton]

Hot Take: The United States should pay other countries to invade countries we don’t like.

No.

[Pan-Pacific Unity]

Neoconservatism = Trotskyism.

As I’ve long said, Trotskyism is the left-wing equivalent of neoconservatism. It’s hawkish, disagreeable, and no one in its political faction particularly likes it.

I mean, many of the earliest neoconservatives were ex-Trotskyists. It seems they brought much of their ethos with them.

[The House of Hamid]

As I’ve long said, Trotskyism is the left-wing equivalent of neoconservatism. It’s hawkish, disagreeable, and no one in its political faction particularly likes it.

I mean, many of the earliest neoconservatives were ex-Trotskyists. It seems they brought much of their ethos with them.

Well shit, maybe Stalin had a point after all... now, who's got an icepick for Elon Musk?

[Khurkhogur]

Furthermore, the process of capitalist development is also the process of anti-capitalism, as capitalism's own internal contradictions sets the stage for its negation. It produces its own gravediggers, as Marx put it.

"Duuude, when you're born, that's when you start dying. So deep maaan"
Every system is like this. Feudalism, capitalism, and socialism are not unique at all in this sense, and they're not superior to one another. There is no system without internal contradictions. It even works for things like your computer, the human body, etc. A system's processes damaging the system itself is pretty much a universal trait.

[Pan-Pacific Unity]

Furthermore, the process of capitalist development is also the process of anti-capitalism, as capitalism's own internal contradictions sets the stage for its negation. It produces its own gravediggers, as Marx put it.

"Duuude, when you're born, that's when you start dying. So deep maaan"
Every system is like this. Feudalism, capitalism, and socialism are not unique at all in this sense, and they're not superior to one another. There is no system without internal contradictions.

Relativist nonsense. If capitalism is not superior to feudalism, why has feudalism been all but wiped out? Furthermore, on a personal level, would you rather live in a feudalist society or a capitalist one? Contradictions provide a motive force for a developmental process, the contradictions of feudalism lead to capitalism, and those of capitalism lead to communism. Perhaps communism will have its own contradictions that we cannot yet see, but these will in turn only lead to the development of a higher socioeconomic form.

[Port Caverton]

We should give nukes to Finland, Sweden and the Baltic states.

[Torisakia]

Sam’s Club is better than Costco.

Totally not biased based on employment or anything.

[The Front Range]

Sam’s Club is better than Costco.

Totally not biased based on employment or anything.

Take my Costco $1.50 Hot Dog combo deal

[Khurkhogur]

Relativist nonsense. If capitalism is not superior to feudalism, why has feudalism been all but wiped out? Furthermore, on a personal level, would you rather live in a feudalist society or a capitalist one? Contradictions provide a motive force for a developmental process, the contradictions of feudalism lead to capitalism, and those of capitalism lead to communism. Perhaps communism will have its own contradictions that we cannot yet see, but these will in turn only lead to the development of a higher socioeconomic form.

Feudalism has been all but wiped out, but eventually there will be a catastrophe, there will be decentralization, and feudalism will return. All it takes is a look at history. Historically, a number of states have become highly centralized and developed capitalist or proto-capitalist economies. For example, Rome, China during certain periods (China developed a bureaucracy and financial system that can only be compared to modern, capitalist ones), and certain Muslim states during the Islamic Golden Age. These systems were rolled back when they could no longer be sustained.
On the accusation of relativism: guilty as charged. Human experience is relative. Not absolutely relative but generally. I reject utilitarianism entirely.

[Khurkhogur]

We should give nukes to Finland, Sweden and the Baltic states.

Ok, genuinely I can't tell. Answer me this - do you refuse to understand the consequences of nuclear escalation, or do you actually not understand them?

[Torisakia]

Sam’s Club is better than Costco.

Totally not biased based on employment or anything.

Take my Costco $1.50 Hot Dog combo deal

About the same price as Sam’s. Though I’ve never had the food from either before.

[Torisakia]

We should give nukes to Finland, Sweden and the Baltic states.

Ok, genuinely I can't tell. Answer me this - do you refuse to understand the consequences of nuclear escalation, or do you actually not understand them?

I understand the consequences, I just don’t care. We could use a little nuclear war. Spice life up a bit.