Hot Takes Discussion II: NATO is the Greatest Thing Ever

[Umeria]

Hot take: If social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism (which it is not), then Marxism-Leninism is the left-wing of fascism.

Social democracy is just liberal capitalism with nice stuff thrown on top of it. I think the original quote you’re referring to was sort of a jab about how liberal democracy degenerates into fascism, not an actual condemnation of it as fascist in and of itself.

Social democracy is liberal capitalism with structural assurances under it that make the whole system work.

[Red Lake Circle]

Social democracy is just liberal capitalism with nice stuff thrown on top of it. I think the original quote you’re referring to was sort of a jab about how liberal democracy degenerates into fascism, not an actual condemnation of it as fascist in and of itself.

Social democracy is liberal capitalism with structural assurances under it that make the whole system work.

Those structural assurances don’t really seem to hold up under pressure… and it’s still capitalism, you’re still being exploited and likely relying on the exploitation of other nations in order to make it work.

[Northern Seleucia]

Hot Take: A proper Philly Cheesesteak needs to be so drenched in grease and food the bag is soaked.

[Umeria]

Social democracy is liberal capitalism with structural assurances under it that make the whole system work.

Those structural assurances don’t really seem to hold up under pressure… and it’s still capitalism, you’re still being exploited and likely relying on the exploitation of other nations in order to make it work.

Is there any ideology that does hold up under pressure though?

[Senkaku]

Those structural assurances don’t really seem to hold up under pressure… and it’s still capitalism, you’re still being exploited and likely relying on the exploitation of other nations in order to make it work.

Is there any ideology that does hold up under pressure though?

Believing in nothing, I guess? Moral vacuums tend to create their own sort of pressure on one’s inner and personal lives, though.

[Northern Seleucia]

I wasn't expecting the poll to turn out like this.

[The House of Hamid]

Protectionism Gang, gogogo!

[Port Caverton]

I wasn't expecting the poll to turn out like this.

Well, commies are against deregulated trade, but they aren't against international trade.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I wasn't expecting the poll to turn out like this.

Well, commies are against deregulated trade, but they aren't against international trade.

I’m kind of against it. I just want to make sure workers are not screwed over.

Edit: I forgot to add in “not”

[Port Caverton]

Well, commies are against deregulated trade, but they aren't against international trade.

I’m kind of against it. I just want to make sure workers are screwed over.

might wanna rephrase that

[The Jamesian Republic]

I’m kind of against it. I just want to make sure workers are screwed over.

might wanna rephrase that

I meant to say not. I’m so stupid.

[Red Lake Circle]

I wasn't expecting the poll to turn out like this.

Hey, until we’re actually in a place where alter-globalization is possible, I’m voting to keep the jobs in places where there are okay-ish labor laws, rather than the global southern countries we exploit all the time.

[Meadowfields]

I wasn't expecting the poll to turn out like this.

Hey, until we’re actually in a place where alter-globalization is possible, I’m voting to keep the jobs in places where there are okay-ish labor laws, rather than the global southern countries we exploit all the time.

Alter-globalization is really based tho

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hey, until we’re actually in a place where alter-globalization is possible, I’m voting to keep the jobs in places where there are okay-ish labor laws, rather than the global southern countries we exploit all the time.

Alter-globalization is really based tho

Yes.

We must defend the workers.

[Pan-Pacific Unity]

I wasn't expecting the poll to turn out like this.

Well, commies are against deregulated trade, but they aren't against international trade.

Not necessarily. As Marx himself said: “But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”

[The House of Hamid]

*angry nationalist noises*

[Meadowfields]

Well, commies are against deregulated trade, but they aren't against international trade.

Not necessarily. As Marx himself said: “But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”

Wait...what?

[Khurkhogur]

The brainlet take is "the GOP is the party of Lincoln," the midwit take is "the parties switched," and the enlightened take is that the Republican party has actually remained remarkably consistent through the centuries. It's the Democrats and the voting bases that have changed.
The GOP has always been the party of capitalism. Just before and during the Civil War, the Republicans wanted to destroy the institution of slavery not because they were against racism, but because getting rid of slavery would pave the way for proper industrialization (and of course there were moral qualms that had nothing to do with race). Through the ages, the Republicans have maintained their commitment to capitalism, while the Democrats slowly shifted from being the party of the South and slavery to being the party of state intervention in capitalism.

this, tho?
not it

So refute it

[Red Lake Circle]

Hey, until we’re actually in a place where alter-globalization is possible, I’m voting to keep the jobs in places where there are okay-ish labor laws, rather than the global southern countries we exploit all the time.

Alter-globalization is really based tho

It is, once we end the exploitation of the global south, I’m all for mutually-beneficial international cooperation lol

Not necessarily. As Marx himself said: “But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”

Wait...what?

(They are advocating for accelerationism)

[Port Caverton]

*angry nationalist noises*

Nationalism is for libs

[Hispida]

*angry nationalist noises*

Nationalism is for libs

but you are a nationalist.

checkmate.

[The House of Hamid]

*angry nationalist noises*

Nationalism is for libs

Who you calling a lib, boyo?

[Khurkhogur]

Social democracy is just liberal capitalism with nice stuff thrown on top of it. I think the original quote you’re referring to was sort of a jab about how liberal democracy degenerates into fascism, not an actual condemnation of it as fascist in and of itself.

Absolutely this. Every social democracy is fundamentally a capitalist state where the populace is just really wealthy on average and the state has made concessions to the middle-lower classes as a result. Third-worldism is actually kind of a good take (even if all its proponents are the worst kinds of people)

[Port Caverton]

Nationalism is for libs

but you are a nationalist.

checkmate.

Not really. Neocons are internationalists.

[Meadowfields]

Alter-globalization is really based tho

It is, once we end the exploitation of the global south, I’m all for mutually-beneficial international cooperation lol

Wait...what?

(They are advocating for accelerationism)

ohhh
I think that tactic is a bit unreliable though; furthering the goal of something you oppose.

but you are a nationalist.

checkmate.

Not really. Neocons are internationalists.

You said you were a liberal hawk.