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What taxes do you support? (Courtesy of the Jamesian Republic)

Land/Property Tax
23
15%
Sales Tax
18
12%
Income Tax
16
10%
No Taxes at All!
8
5%
Tax Transparency (Choose where tax money goes)
17
11%
Reverse Tax (Government Pays You!)
13
8%
Business Tax
23
15%
Flat Tax
7
5%
Progressive Tax
24
16%
Other (Comment Below)
5
3%
 
Total votes : 154

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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:47 am

The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:47 am

Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

oh god pls no

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:47 am

Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK


Could I possibly achieve Jamesianism?

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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:48 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

oh god pls no

Why not?
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK


Could I possibly achieve Jamesianism?

Probably not since Alabama would still be conservative.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:50 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:oh god pls no

Why not?
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Could I possibly achieve Jamesianism?

Probably not since Alabama would still be conservative.


What about other states?
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Meadowfields
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Meadowfields » Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:49 am

Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

but the Democrats aren't left-wing unlike Labour
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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:53 am

Meadowfields wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

but the Democrats aren't left-wing unlike Labour

That's why left is in quotations
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Postby Meadowfields » Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:57 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:but the Democrats aren't left-wing unlike Labour

That's why left is in quotations

Oh, okay. If the Democrats were at least socdems (kinda like Labour, but Labour also combines some demsoc stuff) that would be nice. And the thing is, the Republicans are far-more right-wing than the Conservatives.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:01 am

I proclaim myself to be Center Left but I feel like when applied to American politics my beliefs could be seen as far left or left wing.

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Khurkhogur
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Postby Khurkhogur » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:06 am

Nixon was the best president the US ever had or will have
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Postby Khurkhogur » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:11 am

Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

Here's another hot take: there never was a "party switch"
The brainlet take is "the GOP is the party of Lincoln," the midwit take is "the parties switched," and the enlightened take is that the Republican party has actually remained remarkably consistent through the centuries. It's the Democrats and the voting bases that have changed.
The GOP has always been the party of capitalism. Just before and during the Civil War, the Republicans wanted to destroy the institution of slavery not because they were against racism, but because getting rid of slavery would pave the way for proper industrialization (and of course there were moral qualms that had nothing to do with race). Through the ages, the Republicans have maintained their commitment to capitalism, while the Democrats slowly shifted from being the party of the South and slavery to being the party of state intervention in capitalism.
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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:54 am

Khurkhogur wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

Here's another hot take: there never was a "party switch"
The brainlet take is "the GOP is the party of Lincoln," the midwit take is "the parties switched," and the enlightened take is that the Republican party has actually remained remarkably consistent through the centuries. It's the Democrats and the voting bases that have changed.
The GOP has always been the party of capitalism. Just before and during the Civil War, the Republicans wanted to destroy the institution of slavery not because they were against racism, but because getting rid of slavery would pave the way for proper industrialization (and of course there were moral qualms that had nothing to do with race). Through the ages, the Republicans have maintained their commitment to capitalism, while the Democrats slowly shifted from being the party of the South and slavery to being the party of state intervention in capitalism.

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Red Lake Circle
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Postby Red Lake Circle » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:01 am

Khurkhogur wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:The US should have another party switch so that the red party is the "left"-wing one and the blue one is the conservative one like in Canada and the UK

Here's another hot take: there never was a "party switch"
The brainlet take is "the GOP is the party of Lincoln," the midwit take is "the parties switched," and the enlightened take is that the Republican party has actually remained remarkably consistent through the centuries. It's the Democrats and the voting bases that have changed.
The GOP has always been the party of capitalism. Just before and during the Civil War, the Republicans wanted to destroy the institution of slavery not because they were against racism, but because getting rid of slavery would pave the way for proper industrialization (and of course there were moral qualms that had nothing to do with race). Through the ages, the Republicans have maintained their commitment to capitalism, while the Democrats slowly shifted from being the party of the South and slavery to being the party of state intervention in capitalism.

The “party switch” is just a bad way to refer to the Southern Strategy, by which the GOP sought to appeal to more conservative voters by using a sort of covert racism (“we knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be black or against the war,” etc. etc.). Meanwhile, the Democrats became the party of FDR, espousing a sort of socially progressive welfare capitalism. Either way, both parties are liberal at their hearts, and will do whatever they can to maintain the economic status quo.
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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:17 am

"Bombs not food" should be an organization
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:18 am

Port Caverton wrote:"Bombs not food" should be an organization


No.

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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:20 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:"Bombs not food" should be an organization


No.

Yes. We need to give war a chance! Those peacemongers are killing millions of people every year!
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:21 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No.

Yes. We need to give war a chance! Those peacemongers are killing millions of people every year!


No.

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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:22 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Yes. We need to give war a chance! Those peacemongers are killing millions of people every year!


No.

Yes
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:26 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No.

Yes


Negotiation before war. Never appeasement.

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:27 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Yes


Negotiation before war. Never appeasement.

*War before negotiations.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:28 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Negotiation before war. Never appeasement.

*War before negotiations.


Speak softly and carry a big stick.

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:29 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:*War before negotiations.


Speak softly and carry a big stick.

*big nuke
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:30 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Speak softly and carry a big stick.

*big nuke


Only use nukes as a last resort.

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:31 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:*big nuke


Only use nukes as a last resort.

*first
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:33 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Only use nukes as a last resort.

*first


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