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What taxes do you support? (Courtesy of the Jamesian Republic)

Land/Property Tax
23
15%
Sales Tax
18
12%
Income Tax
16
10%
No Taxes at All!
8
5%
Tax Transparency (Choose where tax money goes)
17
11%
Reverse Tax (Government Pays You!)
13
8%
Business Tax
23
15%
Flat Tax
7
5%
Progressive Tax
24
16%
Other (Comment Below)
5
3%
 
Total votes : 154

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Postby Red Lake Circle » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:32 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:i think in this instance kraterocracy was used to escape any kind of critical thinking whatsoever so bringing it up would only force him to acknowledge fact

fine hot take
ethics are overrated

You're gonna need to justify that one, bud
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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:32 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:death to america is based :)


I’m from America.

my condolences.
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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:32 pm

Red Lake Circle wrote:
Khurkhogur wrote:I think "kraterocracy is cringe and for edgelords" gets to the point a lot better

True, especially since no one serious believes in it

It's a component of fascism. Hitler would often give civil servants and other state officials overlapping roles and authority with the idea that the strongest amongst them would get their way and come to the best decisions. Strong shall crush the weak/inferior is peak fascism. I would argue it's the core of fascism.
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Meadowfields
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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:32 pm

Afrikan Staat wrote:Dolphins are fish.

No, they're even in different classes taxonomically.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:33 pm

Red Lake Circle wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:fine hot take
ethics are overrated

You're gonna need to justify that one, bud

why should i have to worry about ethics? if i dominate and control all than no one else matters. i shouldnt have to sacrifice my desires to suit anyone else.
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:33 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:death to america is based :)


I’m from America.

I'm American too, have I never told you that? O_o
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:34 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I’m from America.

my condolences.


Help me. The Texas GOP has a plan to end liberty and it’s being accepted with thunderous applause. Help me Hukhalia you are my only hope.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:34 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:True, especially since no one serious believes in it

It's a component of fascism. Hitler would often give civil servants and other state officials overlapping roles and authority with the idea that the strongest amongst them would get their way and come to the best decisions. Strong shall crush the weak/inferior is peak fascism. I would argue it's the core of fascism.

it is not
stop referring to my ideology as fascist
you have a z on your flag you must support russias invasion
see?
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:34 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:my condolences.


Help me. The Texas GOP has a plan to end liberty and it’s being accepted with thunderous applause. Help me Hukhalia you are my only hope.

Liberty in America died when the first European settler arrived.
"It was this alone that drew so many Europeans to colonial North America: the dream in the settler mind of each man becoming a petty lord of his own land. Thus, the tradition of individualism and egalitarianism in America was rooted in the poisoned concept of equal privileges for a new nation of European conquerors." J. Sakai

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:35 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I’m from America.

I'm American too, have I never told you that? O_o


Why would you want America to die?

All I want is for America to be regenerated like Doctor Who.
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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:35 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Help me. The Texas GOP has a plan to end liberty and it’s being accepted with thunderous applause. Help me Hukhalia you are my only hope.

Liberty in America died when the first European settler arrived.

Liberty in America died when the world was created. /jk
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Postby Red Lake Circle » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:35 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:True, especially since no one serious believes in it

It's a component of fascism. Hitler would often give civil servants and other state officials overlapping roles and authority with the idea that the strongest amongst them would get their way and come to the best decisions. Strong shall crush the weak/inferior is peak fascism. I would argue it's the core of fascism.

True, but they tried to justify it through other means (racial superiority, the need for a "state for a people" as Mussolini put it, etc.). The sort of kraterocracy Libertyvilla believes in just seems to be a way they can justify anything they want without having to give it any real thought.
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"For Nature and Liberty!"
- AHAKS NEWS RADIO -
01/15/1583 2000 GST: The trial for the murder of Faurgamu Reiks, the former head of National Revival who had connections to the terrorist group the Harjis Witoth, comes to a conclusion. Both Awareik Fairgunein and Hawi Marthal were convicted of second-degree murder. The public has a mixed response, with some agreeing with the sentencing and others believing the killing was justified. Presiding judge Aiktriu K. Kam responds, "I stand with the law, not public opinion."
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:35 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Help me. The Texas GOP has a plan to end liberty and it’s being accepted with thunderous applause. Help me Hukhalia you are my only hope.

Liberty in America died when the first European settler arrived.


Oh. But still, Help me Hukhalia you are my only hope.
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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:36 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:I'm American too, have I never told you that? O_o


Why would you want America to die?

All I want is for America to be regenerated like Doctor Who.

Death to *xyxyxyx* does not necessarily mean, you know, to actually die...
Red Lake Circle wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:It's a component of fascism. Hitler would often give civil servants and other state officials overlapping roles and authority with the idea that the strongest amongst them would get their way and come to the best decisions. Strong shall crush the weak/inferior is peak fascism. I would argue it's the core of fascism.

True, but they tried to justify it through other means (racial superiority, the need for a "state for a people" as Mussolini put it, etc.). The sort of kraterocracy Libertyvilla believes in just seems to be a way they can justify anything they want without having to give it any real thought.

So kakistocratic kraterocracy. Wow, that's a tongue twister. Kakistocratic kraterocracy.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:36 pm

Red Lake Circle wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:It's a component of fascism. Hitler would often give civil servants and other state officials overlapping roles and authority with the idea that the strongest amongst them would get their way and come to the best decisions. Strong shall crush the weak/inferior is peak fascism. I would argue it's the core of fascism.

True, but they tried to justify it through other means (racial superiority, the need for a "state for a people" as Mussolini put it, etc.). The sort of kraterocracy Libertyvilla believes in just seems to be a way they can justify anything they want without having to give it any real thought.

*sigh* I deal with this 180 school days a year.
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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:36 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Why would you want America to die?

All I want is for America to be regenerated like Doctor Who.

Death to *xyxyxyx* does not necessarily mean, you know, to actually die...

Speak for yourself. The erasure of the American state would only be a good thing.
"It was this alone that drew so many Europeans to colonial North America: the dream in the settler mind of each man becoming a petty lord of his own land. Thus, the tradition of individualism and egalitarianism in America was rooted in the poisoned concept of equal privileges for a new nation of European conquerors." J. Sakai

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:36 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Why would you want America to die?

All I want is for America to be regenerated like Doctor Who.

Death to *xyxyxyx* does not necessarily mean, you know, to actually die...


Then what does it mean?
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Postby Red Lake Circle » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Red Lake Circle wrote:True, but they tried to justify it through other means (racial superiority, the need for a "state for a people" as Mussolini put it, etc.). The sort of kraterocracy Libertyvilla believes in just seems to be a way they can justify anything they want without having to give it any real thought.

*sigh* I deal with this 180 school days a year.

My condolences
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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:Death to *xyxyxyx* does not necessarily mean, you know, to actually die...


Then what does it mean?

It just means for that I fucking hate it rn.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:It's a component of fascism. Hitler would often give civil servants and other state officials overlapping roles and authority with the idea that the strongest amongst them would get their way and come to the best decisions. Strong shall crush the weak/inferior is peak fascism. I would argue it's the core of fascism.

it is not
stop referring to my ideology as fascist
you have a z on your flag you must support russias invasion
see?

False equivalency. If you admire Big Brother, the ties to your beliefs and fascism are pretty strong. The man is inspired by both Hitler and Stalin, and has governing styles lifted from both states.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Meadowfields wrote:Death to *xyxyxyx* does not necessarily mean, you know, to actually die...

Speak for yourself. The erasure of the American state would only be a good thing.


I’m right here. If America ceases to exist then I’m stuck in Alabama which will gladly make Kay Ivey the Empress of the Alabamian Empire
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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:Speak for yourself. The erasure of the American state would only be a good thing.


I’m right here. If America ceases to exist then I’m stuck in Alabama which will gladly make Kay Ivey the Empress of the Alabamian Empire

you're her? /jk
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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:38 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:Speak for yourself. The erasure of the American state would only be a good thing.


I’m right here. If America ceases to exist then I’m stuck in Alabama which will gladly make Kay Ivey the Empress of the Alabamian Empire

Oh sure, I'd imagine things get worse for Americans when America dies. But the repressive force exerted on every corner of the world by America would be lifted, and so much more life could breathe free in the world.
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Postby Khurkhogur » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:38 pm

Hukhalia wrote:Liberty in America died when the first European settler arrived.

Liberty and rights literally don't exist
There's my hot take for the day
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:38 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Then what does it mean?

It just means for that I fucking hate it rn.


Well I don’t. I love this country but we can do so much better. Let’s create the reality of what America can be if only…
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