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What taxes do you support? (Courtesy of the Jamesian Republic)

Land/Property Tax
23
15%
Sales Tax
18
12%
Income Tax
16
10%
No Taxes at All!
8
5%
Tax Transparency (Choose where tax money goes)
17
11%
Reverse Tax (Government Pays You!)
13
8%
Business Tax
23
15%
Flat Tax
7
5%
Progressive Tax
24
16%
Other (Comment Below)
5
3%
 
Total votes : 154

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:06 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
Khurkhogur wrote:Hot take: scientifically literate and rational humans are actually really stupid

incorrect.
it is the only way to progress


No it is not.

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Postby Northern Seleucia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:06 pm

*sigh*
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:07 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:*sigh*

What's wrong?
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:08 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:incorrect.
it is the only way to progress


No it is not.

The Thirteen Principles of Jamesianism are the way to progress.

not enough science, too much religion, too much freedom.
crime happens under freedom. safety is secure in totalitarianism
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:09 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:*sigh*

What's wrong?


Look at the title
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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:09 pm

this chat could do with some general political literacy tbh
"It was this alone that drew so many Europeans to colonial North America: the dream in the settler mind of each man becoming a petty lord of his own land. Thus, the tradition of individualism and egalitarianism in America was rooted in the poisoned concept of equal privileges for a new nation of European conquerors." J. Sakai

an advocate of total warfare against heterosexual society, any/all

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Postby Northern Seleucia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:09 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:*sigh*

What's wrong?

Hitler was a Muslim won and I feel the mods ready to jump my ass now.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:09 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No it is not.

The Thirteen Principles of Jamesianism are the way to progress.

not enough science, too much religion, too much freedom.
crime happens under freedom. safety is secure in totalitarianism


Privacy and freedom is better than law and order.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:10 pm

Hukhalia wrote:this chat could do with some general political literacy tbh

planned economies run by AI, and massive, ommipresent state that controls all can solve everything. only the strong, smart, and rational anti-theist can rule
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:11 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:this chat could do with some general political literacy tbh

planned economies run by AI, and massive, ommipresent state that controls all can solve everything. only the strong, smart, and rational anti-theist can rule


Radical Democracy and Democratic Confederalism is better.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:11 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:not enough science, too much religion, too much freedom.
crime happens under freedom. safety is secure in totalitarianism


Privacy and freedom is better than law and order.

privacy and freedom get people killed and allow for sick crimes to be committed without state knowledge. the state should intervene even in something as small as raising kids and the bedroom where kids are usually made
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:12 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:planned economies run by AI, and massive, ommipresent state that controls all can solve everything. only the strong, smart, and rational anti-theist can rule


Radical Democracy and Democratic Confederalism is better.

Radical democraxy and confederalism are liberal and anti statist and get people emotionally riled up and killed. no, unacceptable
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:12 pm

I hate the political compass
"It was this alone that drew so many Europeans to colonial North America: the dream in the settler mind of each man becoming a petty lord of his own land. Thus, the tradition of individualism and egalitarianism in America was rooted in the poisoned concept of equal privileges for a new nation of European conquerors." J. Sakai

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:12 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Privacy and freedom is better than law and order.

privacy and freedom get people killed and allow for sick crimes to be committed without state knowledge. the state should intervene even in something as small as raising kids and the bedroom where kids are usually made


Well obviously intervene in crime but what you are proposing is too much.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:13 pm

Hukhalia wrote:I hate the political compass

I never thought I'd meet someone more radical than you, congrats.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:14 pm

Hukhalia wrote:I hate the political compass


Yeah on the Political Compass I’m LibLeft but yet on Pew Typology I’m the “Ambivalent Right”
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:14 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:privacy and freedom get people killed and allow for sick crimes to be committed without state knowledge. the state should intervene even in something as small as raising kids and the bedroom where kids are usually made


Well obviously intervene in crime but what you are proposing is too much.

intervene in everything to create the perfect life
in fact you gave me an idea
the state should use AI to perfectly plan everyone's daily schedule and planning
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby Khurkhogur » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:15 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:this chat could do with some general political literacy tbh

planned economies run by AI, and massive, ommipresent state that controls all can solve everything. only the strong, smart, and rational anti-theist can rule

Purely calculative systems like what you're describing are literally useless on their own. Nothing works without consciousness and emotion
Computers would be really bad at running a political system because they would have absolutely no idea what to do without input from a conscious, emotional being
If a computer can decide what to do on its own, it's a conscious, emotional being and no longer purely rational.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:15 pm

Hukhalia wrote:I hate the political compass

do you agree with me u've never seen you
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:15 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Well obviously intervene in crime but what you are proposing is too much.

intervene in everything to create the perfect life
in fact you gave me an idea
the state should use AI to perfectly plan everyone's daily schedule and planning


No.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:16 pm

Hukhalia wrote:I hate the political compass










I agree, I hate it too. I am a paternalistic conservative, but it places me on the authoritarian left.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:16 pm

Hot Take: This conversation with Libertyvilla now makes me wish the state was abolished and I think the Anarchists are right.
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Postby Meadowfields » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:16 pm

Hukhalia wrote:I hate the political compass

Frisemark would like to agree with you but he never posts in General and you never post in F7, so...
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Postby Libertyvilla » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:17 pm

Khurkhogur wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:planned economies run by AI, and massive, ommipresent state that controls all can solve everything. only the strong, smart, and rational anti-theist can rule

Purely calculative systems like what you're describing are literally useless on their own. Nothing works without consciousness and emotion
Computers would be really bad at running a political system because they would have absolutely no idea what to do without input from a conscious, emotional being
If a computer can decide what to do on its own, it's a conscious, emotional being and no longer purely rational.
L

which is why we remove emotional thinking from humanity until we are rational. AI will be used, coding to make sure the state has as much power as possible, tailor a schedule perfect forneveryone, plan economies, assign jobs, etc
i dont wanna die in a terrible nuclear war, so lets just end the war in ukraine and end this cold war and all be peaceful

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:18 pm

Libertyvilla wrote:
Khurkhogur wrote:Purely calculative systems like what you're describing are literally useless on their own. Nothing works without consciousness and emotion
Computers would be really bad at running a political system because they would have absolutely no idea what to do without input from a conscious, emotional being
If a computer can decide what to do on its own, it's a conscious, emotional being and no longer purely rational.
L

which is why we remove emotional thinking from humanity until we are rational. AI will be used, coding to make sure the state has as much power as possible, tailor a schedule perfect forneveryone, plan economies, assign jobs, etc


I want emotions.
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