Hot Takes Discussion II: NATO is the Greatest Thing Ever

[Khurkhogur]

I did. Most were from the Turkish and/or Azerbaijani governments, therefore his "sources" are irrelevant.

Yours are from Ermeni nationalist sources, but fine. Explain to me why not even ISRAEL will recognize your claims? Sorely they'd be pretty sensitive on the topic of genocide, no?[/quote]
Israel does tons of business with Azerbaijan oil-wise and armaments-wise. Also Israel has a sensitive relationship with Turkey that they don't want to get any worse than it already is. So that argument is bunk.

[Free Ravensburg]

Dunno bro but he just supported islamic conservative ideas and helped his people in general

Dictators should resign or face punishment.

Aggreed, but he won't. In his head he's already Sultan Reccep the first. :D

*Summons the British and French*

He’s bluffing finish him.

Nono, remember galipoli?

[The Tusken Clans]

Stalin killed more people than hitler and introduced gulags to existence…

denies genocide where ~1.5 million people died
"B-but what about Stalin "
"You should care what I care about but I get to deny any suffering you went through"
Doesn't work like that buddy

Stalin killed 6 million people for the sake of his ideology with extremely confirmed reliable sources on all regards that everyone agrees with, the Ottoman Empire is claimed to have killed 1.5 million people from Armenian nationalist sources and American propaganda sources

[Untecna]

All of that was an incorrect definition of communism.

From Britannica:


What you just defined is not communism but is in fact the beginnings to socialism, which you then promptly labeled as "bad" without anything else to help support it.

I asked for a definition, anyway, not an opinion.

Name a single communist society without class division

There have never been any communist countries. There are socialist ones, but none of them are communist, by the generally accepted definition of communism, which I just laid out for you.

[The Tusken Clans]

Dictators should resign or face punishment.

*Summons the British and French*

He’s bluffing finish him.

Nono, remember galipoli?

Also remember how mighty mighty britain and france got their asses kicked by Ataturk

[The Jamesian Republic]

Dictators should resign or face punishment.

*Summons the British and French*

He’s bluffing finish him.

Nono, remember galipoli?

Galipoli will not impede the defeat of Erdogan.

[Mets Hayk]

denies genocide where ~1.5 million people died
"B-but what about Stalin "
"You should care what I care about but I get to deny any suffering you went through"
Doesn't work like that buddy

Stalin killed 6 million people for the sake of his ideology with extremely confirmed reliable sources on all regards that everyone agrees with, the Ottoman Empire is claimed to have killed 1.5 million people from Armenian nationalist sources and American propaganda sources

WIKIPEDIA is an Armenian propaganda source? Consider me surprised.

[The Tusken Clans]

Name a single communist society without class division

There have never been any communist countries. There are socialist ones, but none of them are communist, by the generally accepted definition of communism, which I just laid out for you.

Communism is an extremist ideology in practice and has been practiced, examplery demonstrations are North Korea, Maoist China, Soviet Union, they reshaped the idea of communism, the old idea of communism isn’t even communism today, it’s an aspect of utopianism

[Khurkhogur]

Stalin killed 6 million people for the sake of his ideology with extremely confirmed reliable sources on all regards that everyone agrees with, the Ottoman Empire is claimed to have killed 1.5 million people from Armenian nationalist sources and American propaganda sources

"every source I like is 'extremely confirmed' and reliable, whatever I don't like is propaganda"
Again, it doesn't work like that buddy. You don't get to say "only my side is right" just because you feel like it. Nobody will take you seriously.
All neutral historiographical scholarship on the subject of the Late Ottoman Empire agrees that the Armenian genocide happened. The Turks themselves admit it but then they try to justify it by saying the Armenians were terrorists. That enough should tell you that it happened.

[The Tusken Clans]

Stalin killed 6 million people for the sake of his ideology with extremely confirmed reliable sources on all regards that everyone agrees with, the Ottoman Empire is claimed to have killed 1.5 million people from Armenian nationalist sources and American propaganda sources

WIKIPEDIA is an Armenian propaganda source? Consider me surprised.

WIKIPEDIA is an internationally built internet hub where ANYONE WITH AN ACCOUNT can edit it

[The Jamesian Republic]

There have never been any communist countries. There are socialist ones, but none of them are communist, by the generally accepted definition of communism, which I just laid out for you.

Communism is an extremist ideology in practice and has been practiced, examplery demonstrations are North Korea, Maoist China, Soviet Union, they reshaped the idea of communism, the old idea of communism isn’t even communism today, it’s an aspect of utopianism

I oppose all forms of dictatorship.

[HISPIDA]

communism is when the government does populism. the more populister it is the more communister it is, and when it's 100% populist, that's stalinism

Stalin killed more people than hitler and introduced gulags to existence…

1. no he didn't
2. which, fun fact, had a maximum sentence of 10 years and primarily held prisoners already imprisoned by the tsardom and provisional government. political prisoners were an incredibly small minority in the gulag system, and the gulag system itself had a shocking low 2-4% mortality rate and an incredibly high rehabilitation turnover. the book gulag archipelago was even admitted by solzhenitsyn's wife to be a huge load of propaganda and straight-up lies. gulag prisoners were allowed annual two-week vacations to go back home, their savings were allowed to be sent to their families, 80% of all gulag cases were decided by citizens, freedom of movement was allowed in gulag systems, prisoners were allowed to publish newspapers, et cetera, et cetera. i suggest you read up on the gulag system, this is good but pretty biased in favor but with really good sources i would rather live in a gulag for 10 years than an american prison for 10 years.

plus it was lenin that created the gulags and not stalin, if you're going to talk about the USSR at least get your facts right

[The Tusken Clans]

Stalin killed 6 million people for the sake of his ideology with extremely confirmed reliable sources on all regards that everyone agrees with, the Ottoman Empire is claimed to have killed 1.5 million people from Armenian nationalist sources and American propaganda sources

"every source I like is 'extremely confirmed' and reliable, whatever I don't like is propaganda"
Again, it doesn't work like that buddy. All neutral historiographical scholarship on the subject of the Late Ottoman Empire agrees that the Armenian genocide happened. The Turks themselves admit it but then they try to justify it by saying the Armenians were terrorists. That enough should tell you that it happened.

Your nitpicking, I just said the sources about Stalins killings are extremely reliable and confirmed, not much else brother

[The House of Hamid]

Stalin killed 6 million people for the sake of his ideology with extremely confirmed reliable sources on all regards that everyone agrees with, the Ottoman Empire is claimed to have killed 1.5 million people from Armenian nationalist sources and American propaganda sources

WIKIPEDIA is an Armenian propaganda source? Consider me surprised.

Wikipedia isn't a source for anything at all, by basic conceptual design.

[Untecna]

There have never been any communist countries. There are socialist ones, but none of them are communist, by the generally accepted definition of communism, which I just laid out for you.

Communism is an extremist ideology in practice and has been practiced, examplery demonstrations are North Korea, Maoist China, Soviet Union, they reshaped the idea of communism, the old idea of communism isn’t even communism today, it’s an aspect of utopianism

Sure, sure. Go ahead and have fun in your mental gymnastics game, bud. Its fun to watch, anyway.

There have been no attempts at real communism, even if the parties call themselves Communist. Policy =/= names.

Plus, you said the Soviet Union. Long name, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Notice the "Socialist" part of the name?

[Khurkhogur]

Your nitpicking, I just said the sources about Stalins killings are extremely reliable and confirmed, not much else brother

Don't call me brother.
I just told you that the sources that discuss the Armenian genocide are also reliable and confirmed, because all of the neutral scholarship on the subject agrees that the Armenian genocide happened.

[The Tusken Clans]

Stalin killed more people than hitler and introduced gulags to existence…

1. no he didn't
2. which, fun fact, had a maximum sentence of 10 years and primarily held prisoners already imprisoned by the tsardom and provisional government. political prisoners were an incredibly small minority in the gulag system, and the gulag system itself had a shocking low 2-4% mortality rate and an incredibly high rehabilitation turnover. the book gulag archipelago was even admitted by solzhenitsyn's wife to be a huge load of propaganda and straight-up lies. gulag prisoners were allowed annual two-week vacations to go back home, their savings were allowed to be sent to their families, 80% of all gulag cases were decided by citizens, freedom of movement was allowed in gulag systems, prisoners were allowed to publish newspapers, et cetera, et cetera. i suggest you read up on the gulag system, this is good but pretty biased in favor but with really good sources

Ever heard of a road in Russia paved by the bones of dead people because when they died of starvation from working they just fell into the pavement and their bones were added in? Also it was built in Soviet times

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: This conversation is the reason the internet should be abolished.

But when I say that I also remember I have non casual things that require internet…

[Untecna]

WIKIPEDIA is an Armenian propaganda source? Consider me surprised.

WIKIPEDIA is an internationally built internet hub where ANYONE WITH AN ACCOUNT can edit it

You sound like a school teacher.

[The Tusken Clans]

Your nitpicking, I just said the sources about Stalins killings are extremely reliable and confirmed, not much else brother

Don't call me brother.
I just told you that the sources that discuss the Armenian genocide are also reliable and confirmed, because all of the neutral scholarship on the subject agrees that the Armenian genocide happened.

Neutral scholarship on the subject mostly perpetrated by western media and European/American sources which all agree with the American propaganda due to relation

[Mets Hayk]

WIKIPEDIA is an Armenian propaganda source? Consider me surprised.

Wikipedia isn't a source for anything at all, by basic conceptual design.

Were I to find an article from...the UN, or some other similar international organization, that proved the existence of the Armenian Genocide, what would you do?

[The House of Hamid]

This went kinda out of hand. Maybe we should retire to more edgy shitpo... hot takes now.

Hot Take: The Ukraine conflict will dind down over the nextr few years with nobody really winning and things devolving like most wars the media already forgot about.

[Red Lake Circle]

I did. Most were from the Turkish and/or Azerbaijani governments, therefore his "sources" are irrelevant.

Yours are from Ermeni nationalist sources, but fine. Explain to me why not even ISRAEL will recognize your claims? Sorely they'd be pretty sensitive on the topic of genocide, no?

Yeah, because Israel is currently settler-colonizing the Palestinian Arabs. Hope this helps!

[The Tusken Clans]

WIKIPEDIA is an internationally built internet hub where ANYONE WITH AN ACCOUNT can edit it

You sound like a school teacher.

In some things it’s reliable, but in heavily disputed topics, it’s quite not

[The Jamesian Republic]

You know what’s weird teachers don’t like Wikipedia but Britannica is somehow acceptable. Aren’t they the same thing?