Hot Takes Discussion II: NATO is the Greatest Thing Ever

[Khurkhogur]

How about let's not take people who deny the Armenian genocide seriously. You can throw all the extensive scholarship and history at them and they'll say "nope not true that's biased" to keep deluding themselves that their country is innocent and righteous. It's completely useless to have any sort of discussion

[The House of Hamid]

How 'bout accusing an innocent of it?

Again, you've never disproven the Armenian genocide's existence.

Haven't disprooven the existence of Russell's Teapot either.

Again, do you want me to dig through all that BS and all that propaganda and disproove its claims? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: Roses are the best flower.

It's a beautiful socdem/labour symbol, that's for sure.

That’s part of the charm for me.

[HISPIDA]

No, it’s not, it’s just that I know that leftism all across the board still focuses on harmful policies that near populism, meanwhile most are still hard fails in that regard apart from social democracy which is majority just populism which isn’t even 100% communist but is just a policy they use

So... define communism for us.

communism is when the government does populism. the more populister it is the more communister it is, and when it's 100% populist, that's stalinism

[Free Ravensburg]

Genocide denial isn't a hot take, it's just sad and disrespectful.

How 'bout accusing an innocent of it? :eyebrow:

But there aren’t any.

[Mets Hayk]

Again, you've never disproven the Armenian genocide's existence.

You stopped listening and talking to him and didn’t even acknowledge his points and now claim he failed?

I did. Most were from the Turkish and/or Azerbaijani governments, therefore his "sources" are irrelevant.

[Khurkhogur]

How 'bout accusing an innocent of it?

You denied the genocide multiple times, you have absolutely no right to call yourself "innocent of it"

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: Roses are the best flower.

I will argue with you, best flower is the sunflower

How so?

[The Tusken Clans]

No, it’s not, it’s just that I know that leftism all across the board still focuses on harmful policies that near populism, meanwhile most are still hard fails in that regard apart from social democracy which is majority just populism which isn’t even 100% communist but is just a policy they use

So... define communism for us.

A system of government in which policies on societal management and economic organization rear toward populism in the aim of supporting peoples or liberating a class although with few governments managing to not be genocidal maniac states apart from some parts which are barely even commie at all, communism is based off the idea of a grand workers revolution to liberate a “oppressed class” by creating radical, harmful change

[Untecna]

So... define communism for us.

communism is when the government does populism. the more populister it is the more communister it is, and when it's 100% populist, that's stalinism

I legitimately thought you were Tusken lmao

[HISPIDA]

communism is when the government does populism. the more populister it is the more communister it is, and when it's 100% populist, that's stalinism

I legitimately thought you were Tusken lmao

i mean at the end of the day we said basically the same thing

[The Tusken Clans]

So... define communism for us.

communism is when the government does populism. the more populister it is the more communister it is, and when it's 100% populist, that's stalinism

Stalin killed more people than hitler and introduced gulags to existence…

[The Jamesian Republic]

hot take: stalin actually should've had more power

he constantly tried to put forth democratic reforms (most notably, in his original drafts of the 1936 constitution there was a specific clause allowing the formation of private, non-governmental citizen groups to run in local elections without the approval of the CPSU*; his minds was ultimately changed by inner party members and old bolsheviks stating, without proof, that nazi germany and japan were planning an overthrow of the soviet government and the proposal faced stiff opposition from local entrenched party elites), fought incredibly hard against the USSR's increasing bureaucratization, consistently ordered local party leaders to recall policies when faced with popular opposition, and when party leaders were criticized by citizens and groups of citizens they were occasionally arrested for refusing to leave office

if the upper party members and first ministers had less power and stalin had more, the USSR would still exist as the most egalitarian society on earth today

*to quote comrade stalin himself:

Some say that this is dangerous, since elements hostile to Soviet power could sneak into the highest offices, some of the former White Guardists, kulaks, priests, and so on. But really, what is there to fear? 'If you're afraid of wolves, don't walk in the forest.' For one thing, not all former kulaks, White Guardists, and priests are hostile to Soviet power. For another, if the people here and there elected hostile forces, this will mean that our agitational work is poorly organized, and that we have fully deserved this disgrace.

He didn’t try hard enough. And he should have immediately resigned after like 8 years.

[The Tusken Clans]

You stopped listening and talking to him and didn’t even acknowledge his points and now claim he failed?

I did. Most were from the Turkish and/or Azerbaijani governments, therefore his "sources" are irrelevant.

Your sources state American Protestant views which shaped the Armenian genocide as propaganda against the empire of the Ottomans due to their relation to the Armenians and stance in world war 1

[The House of Hamid]

You stopped listening and talking to him and didn’t even acknowledge his points and now claim he failed?

I did. Most were from the Turkish and/or Azerbaijani governments, therefore his "sources" are irrelevant.

Yours are from Ermeni nationalist sources, but fine. Explain to me why not even ISRAEL will recognize your claims? Sorely they'd be pretty sensitive on the topic of genocide, no?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: Erdogan should resign.

[Untecna]

So... define communism for us.

A system of government in which policies on societal management and economic organization rear toward populism in the aim of supporting peoples or liberating a class although with few governments managing to not be genocidal maniac states apart from some parts which are barely even commie at all, communism is based off the idea of a grand workers revolution to liberate a “oppressed class” by creating radical, harmful change

All of that was an incorrect definition of communism.

From Britannica:

a society without class divisions or government, in which the production and distribution of goods would be based upon the principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

What you just defined is not communism but is in fact the beginnings to socialism, which you then promptly labeled as "bad" without anything else to help support it.

I asked for a definition, anyway, not an opinion.

[The Tusken Clans]

Hot Take: Erdogan should resign.

Dunno bro but he just supported islamic conservative ideas and helped his people in general

[Khurkhogur]

Stalin killed more people than hitler and introduced gulags to existence…

denies genocide where ~1.5 million people died
"B-but what about Stalin "
"You should care what I care about but I get to deny any suffering you went through"
Doesn't work like that buddy

[The House of Hamid]

Hot Take: Erdogan should resign.

Aggreed, but he won't. In his head he's already Sultan Reccep the first.

[Untecna]

I legitimately thought you were Tusken lmao

i mean at the end of the day we said basically the same thing

The flag size and choice of colors is similar, that's why.

[The Tusken Clans]

A system of government in which policies on societal management and economic organization rear toward populism in the aim of supporting peoples or liberating a class although with few governments managing to not be genocidal maniac states apart from some parts which are barely even commie at all, communism is based off the idea of a grand workers revolution to liberate a “oppressed class” by creating radical, harmful change

All of that was an incorrect definition of communism.

From Britannica:

a society without class divisions or government, in which the production and distribution of goods would be based upon the principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

What you just defined is not communism but is in fact the beginnings to socialism, which you then promptly labeled as "bad" without anything else to help support it.

I asked for a definition, anyway, not an opinion.

Name a single communist society without class division

[Mets Hayk]

I did. Most were from the Turkish and/or Azerbaijani governments, therefore his "sources" are irrelevant.

Your sources state American Protestant views which shaped the Armenian genocide as propaganda against the empire of the Ottomans due to their relation to the Armenians and stance in world war 1

I gave a Wikipedia article, and an article from the Armenian National Institute; the latter of which is run by, for the most part, Armenian-Americans. Where are these so-called "American Protestant" views?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hot Take: Erdogan should resign.

Dunno bro but he just supported islamic conservative ideas and helped his people in general

Dictators should resign or face punishment.

Hot Take: Erdogan should resign.

Aggreed, but he won't. In his head he's already Sultan Reccep the first.

*Summons the British and French*

He’s bluffing finish him.

[The House of Hamid]

A system of government in which policies on societal management and economic organization rear toward populism in the aim of supporting peoples or liberating a class although with few governments managing to not be genocidal maniac states apart from some parts which are barely even commie at all, communism is based off the idea of a grand workers revolution to liberate a “oppressed class” by creating radical, harmful change

All of that was an incorrect definition of communism.

From Britannica:

a society without class divisions or government, in which the production and distribution of goods would be based upon the principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

What you just defined is not communism but is in fact the beginnings to socialism, which you then promptly labeled as "bad" without anything else to help support it.

I asked for a definition, anyway, not an opinion.

Inb4 not real communism.