Is it morally correct to dislike ones parents for creation?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

While it is true that we don't have much choice in being born, and while it is true that fertility is hereditary (i.e. if your parents didn't have any children, you'd probably not have any either), I'm not really sure if it is morally correct to dislike your own parents for creating you in se, since they did not know what the life since you were born would turn out. Their actions, on the other hand, are a whole different bucket of fish: if your parents were abusive or neglectful, then yeah, it would be morally correct to dislike the parents for creating you in the first place.

That being said we do judge people for actions the consequences of which we did not knew- and I believe that if one’s life is a burden to one they should be allowed to judge their parents for the sheer act of creation of them as a person.

[Forsher]

Let's suppose we have John, whose life was misery and woe, and Joan, whose life was also misery and woe.

Suppose that John's parents birthed him for the explicit purpose of eating popcorn while he struggled through life, whereas Joan's parents had high hopes and worried themselves into early graves.

John's parents are problematic. Joan's are not.

Intention... matters.

[Ethel mermania]

If someone wishes they had not been born, they probably should seek professional help.

I disagree. We shouldn't simply categorize anyone who doesn't enjoy life as mentally ill.

Their is a difference between not enjoying life and holding it against your parents for being born. The former does not always require professional support.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

If someone wishes they had not been born, they probably should seek professional help.

I disagree. We shouldn't simply categorize anyone who doesn't enjoy life as mentally ill.

If you believe that your mere existence was a mistake, you should probably seek help to avoid entering a negative spiral and committing suicide.

We should categorize depression as a mental illness, because it is one. It has serious mental and even physical implications and can often lead to suicide.

[Asardia]

I disagree. We shouldn't simply categorize anyone who doesn't enjoy life as mentally ill.

Their is a difference between not enjoying life and holding it against your parents for being born. The former does not always require professional support.

I disagree. We shouldn't simply categorize anyone who doesn't enjoy life as mentally ill.

If you believe that your mere existence was a mistake, you should probably seek help to avoid entering a negative spiral and committing suicide.

We should categorize depression as a mental illness, because it is one. It has serious mental and even physical implications and can often lead to suicide.

Here's what I think. We all have the "right to life". A right means you don't have to exercise it. For example, the right to freedom of speech means you don't have to protest, but the option to do so is there. Similarly, the "right to life" means we should have the right to end our lives. People who don't like living should have the right to euthanasia.

[Ethel mermania]

Their is a difference between not enjoying life and holding it against your parents for being born. The former does not always require professional support.

If you believe that your mere existence was a mistake, you should probably seek help to avoid entering a negative spiral and committing suicide.

We should categorize depression as a mental illness, because it is one. It has serious mental and even physical implications and can often lead to suicide.

Here's what I think. We all have the "right to life". A right means you don't have to exercise it. For example, the right to freedom of speech means you don't have to protest, but the option to do so is there. Similarly, the "right to life" means we should have the right to end our lives. People who don't like living should have the right to euthanasia.

Which is a different discussion than blaming your parents for being born.

[Saksoni]

I believe that this is an interesting philosophical question that touches on subjects of natalism and antinatalism and would really like to see the opinions of NSG on the matter.

The question I am asking is this: are the parents responsible or even potentially in the wrong for the act of creation of life itself, if said life brings mostly misery? I believe that this can be boiled down to the question of the responsibility itself- and if a person can and should be judged for actions results of which one may not truly understand. After all when people conceive children they rarely concern themselves with the question if a child is truly going to enjoy the life overall and what said child will bring to their life.

David Benatar’s argument of assymetry between pain and pleasure can be also relevant to the discussion I believe.

So, what are your thoughts regarding this matter? Is the act of creation of new life morally correct or not?

I think it is morally correct. It lets more people see the world, see what it is. If we were to stop having children, they would also not see happiness of this world.
It is better to see pain and happiness than nothing, as this is an even greater torture than pain of human life.

[Mainer Republic]

No, it’s morally incorrect.

As someone else said, it’s a sign of mental illness to hate your parents for birthing you.

[Asardia]

Here's what I think. We all have the "right to life". A right means you don't have to exercise it. For example, the right to freedom of speech means you don't have to protest, but the option to do so is there. Similarly, the "right to life" means we should have the right to end our lives. People who don't like living should have the right to euthanasia.

Which is a different discussion than blaming your parents for being born.

They still relate to each other. I don't like living. I didn't want to be born. I didn't have the choice of whether or not I could have been born. How do the 2 not relate?

[Ethel mermania]

Which is a different discussion than blaming your parents for being born.

They still relate to each other. I don't like living. I didn't want to be born. I didn't have the choice of whether or not I could have been born. How do the 2 not relate?

One is where you accept the blame on yourself.

The other looks to blame your parents for your shortcomings.

Again it's ok to hate your parents if they are crappy parents, for having you... get help.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Their is a difference between not enjoying life and holding it against your parents for being born. The former does not always require professional support.

If you believe that your mere existence was a mistake, you should probably seek help to avoid entering a negative spiral and committing suicide.

We should categorize depression as a mental illness, because it is one. It has serious mental and even physical implications and can often lead to suicide.

Here's what I think. We all have the "right to life". A right means you don't have to exercise it. For example, the right to freedom of speech means you don't have to protest, but the option to do so is there. Similarly, the "right to life" means we should have the right to end our lives. People who don't like living should have the right to euthanasia.

Yes, and? I’m not suggesting that we stop people from committing suicide by force, but rather that we should steer them away from it.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Which is a different discussion than blaming your parents for being born.

They still relate to each other. I don't like living. I didn't want to be born. I didn't have the choice of whether or not I could have been born. How do the 2 not relate?

Saying “I didn’t want to be born.” makes no sense because something that doesn’t exist can’t want something. The correct phrase is “I don’t want to have been born.”

[Asardia]

They still relate to each other. I don't like living. I didn't want to be born. I didn't have the choice of whether or not I could have been born. How do the 2 not relate?

Saying “I didn’t want to be born.” makes no sense because something that doesn’t exist can’t want something. The correct phrase is “I don’t want to have been born.”

Pedantic.

They still relate to each other. I don't like living. I didn't want to be born. I didn't have the choice of whether or not I could have been born. How do the 2 not relate?

One is where you accept the blame on yourself.

The other looks to blame your parents for your shortcomings.

Again it's ok to hate your parents if they are crappy parents, for having you... get help.

How can you "accept the blame on yourself" for this scenario?

[Ethel mermania]

Saying “I didn’t want to be born.” makes no sense because something that doesn’t exist can’t want something. The correct phrase is “I don’t want to have been born.”

Pedantic.

One is where you accept the blame on yourself.

The other looks to blame your parents for your shortcomings.

Again it's ok to hate your parents if they are crappy parents, for having you... get help.

How can you "accept the blame on yourself" for this scenario?

You are responsible for your own life, no one else is.

Folks have shitty lives, debilitating diseases both mental and physical, lousy working conditions, unfulfilled dreams, stunted relationships. Blaming your parents for being born is a cheap out for not facing up to your own responsibilities and actions, or its mental illness.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Pedantic.



How can you "accept the blame on yourself" for this scenario?

You are responsible for your own life, no one else is.

Folks have shitty lives, debilitating diseases both mental and physical, lousy working conditions, unfulfilled dreams, stunted relationships. Blaming your parents for being born is a cheap out for not facing up to your own responsibilities and actions, or its mental illness.

Although I agree that responsibilities are a part of life, isn’t being forced to adhere to them a direct result of existing and thus result of the actions of ones parents?

[Asardia]

Pedantic.



How can you "accept the blame on yourself" for this scenario?

You are responsible for your own life, no one else is.

Folks have shitty lives, debilitating diseases both mental and physical, lousy working conditions, unfulfilled dreams, stunted relationships. Blaming your parents for being born is a cheap out for not facing up to your own responsibilities and actions, or its mental illness.

No one would have a shitty life if they were never born.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

You are responsible for your own life, no one else is.

Folks have shitty lives, debilitating diseases both mental and physical, lousy working conditions, unfulfilled dreams, stunted relationships. Blaming your parents for being born is a cheap out for not facing up to your own responsibilities and actions, or its mental illness.

No one would have a shitty life if they were never born.

No one would have a good life either.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Saying “I didn’t want to be born.” makes no sense because something that doesn’t exist can’t want something. The correct phrase is “I don’t want to have been born.”

Pedantic.

Maybe, but it's an important distinction that it seems like anti-natalists don't make. non-existence cannot be better than existence.

[Ethel mermania]

You are responsible for your own life, no one else is.

Folks have shitty lives, debilitating diseases both mental and physical, lousy working conditions, unfulfilled dreams, stunted relationships. Blaming your parents for being born is a cheap out for not facing up to your own responsibilities and actions, or its mental illness.

No one would have a shitty life if they were never born.

Your parents fucked, you were born. They didn't specify create you so your life sucks. You may as well hate the sun for shinning, or rain for being wet. Both are unnatural and are best treated by a medical. Your shitty life is on you. Your responsibility to do something about it, not your parents, not the state, you.

[Cameroi]

there is no moral implication to like or dislike anything.
morality is consideration from beginning to end.
you don't have to like or dislike anything or any one, to be considerate of them.

parents creation is not. parents don't "create" anything. their biological process caused a life form member of their species to be formed.
your awareness that populates it has nothing to do with this, save the influence of the conditions and context in which you grew up.
they gave you a life form to walk around in. and presumably nurtured it and you during your childhood to some degree and in some form.

in many ways we create ourselves. in many ways the unknown does. and we can always self modify our non-physical aspects which are our true self.
not that we aren't also influenced. by everything. including what we enjoy or are entertained by.

nothing wrong with disliking an influence seen as negative, only it is reasonable to keep open the option to rejudge and rejudge the nature of that influence,
nor is this often so simple as to be any one thing. parents are not magically wonderful, nor the reverse, though both extremes can exist.

as with all extremes, what is between them is by far the more likely.

the question seems a kind of concatination of non-things.

[The Orwell Society]

No, it is not morally correct. Unless your parents are sadistic psychopaths, they most always want the best for you. If you hate your parents for bringing you into existance, than you need serious help. I am not trying to flame or troll or bait, but it's the truth. Get a qualified psychiatrist, talk with your parents, and please don't kill yourself.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

No one would have a shitty life if they were never born.

Your parents fucked, you were born. They didn't specify create you so your life sucks. You may as well hate the sun for shinning, or rain for being wet. Both are unnatural and are best treated by a medical. Your shitty life is on you. Your responsibility to do something about it, not your parents, not the state, you.

People are not born “just cause”- after all unexpected pregnancies are somewhat rarer than expected ones. Yes it is a person’s responsibility to do something if their life is miserable however if one feels like living said life is nothing but an endless cycle of things one would rather not be doing who else but parents can be held responsible for that? It were their actions who have led to this result after all

[Hamidiye]

It's like hating flowers for your hay fever...but then I am allergic to and hate wasps, so... hm.

[MaPetiteFille]

Yes. Life is meaningless and shouldn't be endured.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Yes it is a person’s responsibility to do something if their life is miserable however if one feels like living said life is nothing but an endless cycle of things one would rather not be doing who else but parents can be held responsible for that?

Society, politicians, wealthy businessmen, etc. Unless your parents caused those things to be necessary, it isn't their fault that those things need to be done.