Is it morally correct to dislike ones parents for creation?

[Esternial]

Isn't that a strange thing to focus on, though?

Of all the things one can blame their parents for, focusing on the fact that "they them get born" implies they themselves are the problem. It implies that no amount of good parenting, nurturing society, etc. would have fixed the absolute trainwreck of a human being they inherently are. If it did, it would be more logical to resent one's parent for being shit parents.

Because of all thing being focused on, the act of "being born" is so worth focusing on.

It sounds to me more of a self-esteem issue with the person uttering the resentment.

How are we defining "focusing on"? Essentially we're just answering the question posed by the thread. To imply that this is the 'focus' of anyone's critique or examination is kinda on you. No one said that was the focal point of their delving into the origin of their issues or trying to reconcile a lack of enthusiasm towards the idea of being born. You're elevating an argument to your own importance to ridicule it and then try and analyze me (not appreciated). I'm just addressing the premise, I'm not giving you a priority list of things people can evaluate in their lives.

That's a fair point, though I'd like to clear up that I'm not trying to analyse you. It was never about you, or about me or "my own importance". I am sharing what it sounds like to me, and I am completely open to the possibility that my interpretation could be wrong, as you pointed out now.

I am not zoning in on your specifically, I was not trying to ridicule anyone and there is no analysing happening here. I explicitly made a point of using "they".
I'm sorry for coming across as such, and I hope you don't attribute that to me going forward as I also don't appreciate that.

[Cannot think of a name]

How are we defining "focusing on"? Essentially we're just answering the question posed by the thread. To imply that this is the 'focus' of anyone's critique or examination is kinda on you. No one said that was the focal point of their delving into the origin of their issues or trying to reconcile a lack of enthusiasm towards the idea of being born. You're elevating an argument to your own importance to ridicule it and then try and analyze me (not appreciated). I'm just addressing the premise, I'm not giving you a priority list of things people can evaluate in their lives.

That's a fair point, though I'd like to clear up that I'm not trying to analyse you. It was never about you, or about me or "my own importance". I am sharing what it sounds like to me, and I am completely open to the possibility that my interpretation could be wrong, as you pointed out now.

I am not zoning in on your specifically, I was not trying to ridicule anyone and there is no analysing happening here. I explicitly made a point of using "they".
I'm sorry for coming across as such, and I hope you don't attribute that to me going forward as I also don't appreciate that.

You're misinterpriting that passage, but I see why. I wasn't saying you were trying to elevate your own importance, I was saying you're inflating the importance of this discussion to become a focal point and not just one of many things that might contribute to a feeling like you've been saddled with a burden that now they have to carry because. Knowing one was conceived under illconceived conditions can help contextualize a lot of shit they didn't have the ability or experience to sort out when it happened. My issue here is that knowing that is part of a collage of things and we're only 'focusing' on it now because it was the question of the thread so we're not going to create some sort of priority list.

I do think that coming to terms with the idea that existence can be meaningless and the burden of being forced to create a meaning just because a couple of people fucked is fucked off and it's okay to feel that way instead of denying it or trying to insist that meaning is intrinsic so that people who already feel like shit feel even shittier. I kind of think that's dangerous because we're then insisting that someone close that chasm but can't because they're not allowed to examine it and that's the kind of roadblock spiral where one might end up taking drastic unrecoverable decision. Sometimes things suck and situations are ideal and instead of telling people to not let it effect them or they're focusing on something they can't change just let them feel their feelings about it so they can get to the other side, whatever that might be. And that might include that ones parents were being dicks by bringing a life into the world.

[Asardia]

Yes. Nobody consents to being born. Its a decision made for us.

Some in this country don't want to allow women to need to consent to being incubators. They wish to force all fetuses born whether or not that means torturous conditions for the unborn after birth, whether or not either of the parents actually wants to be a parent. Maybe concentrate your ire there.

Procreation is morally wrong and I will stand by that statement. Solomon says it the best:

Ecclesiastes 4:2 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive
Ecclesiastes 4:3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun

I truly believe it is better to have never been born than to exist in this world.

Well if we're going to be all biblical, God said to Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiple. I think God outranks Solomon, don't you?

I disagree. We shouldn't simply categorize anyone who doesn't enjoy life as mentally ill.

I disagree. Unhappiness without cause other than "I exist. fuck my parents for having me" is definitely not a sign of mental wellness.

Here's what I think. We all have the "right to life". A right means you don't have to exercise it. For example, the right to freedom of speech means you don't have to protest, but the option to do so is there. Similarly, the "right to life" means we should have the right to end our lives. People who don't like living should have the right to euthanasia.

What's stopping the proverbial-and-not--directed-at-you? The fact that we do have a word for killing oneself shows that the concept and practice exist.

God also banned the usage of certain fabrics, but most Christians do not follow that.

I also am not sure what your last comment is saying. Are you asking why I haven't tried to kill myself?

[Asardia]

No one would have a shitty life if they were never born.

No one would have a good life either.

And by procreating, you're rolling a dice with the good vs bad life the unfortunate child will have to endure

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

No one would have a good life either.

And by procreating, you're rolling a dice with the good vs bad life the unfortunate child will have to endure

I don't think that any but the worst life isn't worth living. How do you define a bad life?

[Jabberwocky]

Much ado about nothing.

[The Jabber Wockey]

Theoretically, it is their fault. But in practise, I don’t really think so. Try as you might to conjure up some excuses to prove their selfishness, most parents actually make the decision semi-selflessly , giving up their money and time to raise you. Additionally, the option to have a child is a biological drive in us. But that’s my opinion, and I’d love to hear feedback!

[Countesia]

Based on the comments I've seen you make in the past, a lot of the misery in your life stems from being a Cameroonian living in Russia and the general disdain the populace hold you in because of the deep rooted racism in Russian society. You dealt with it at first by being a self hating black for some time which was kinda bizarre to witness, but it seems you grew out of that. However I see you're still very unhappy despite this.

Have you never considered moving to Cameroon? I read their immigration policy and your parents ancestry makes you legible for citizenship.

[The Land of the Ephyral]

If you're unhappy that your parents loved one another enough to have children, you can always just end your existence in revenge.

Edit: This is sarcasm. If you dislike your parents for creating you, you're a bad person.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I don't care. I am alive.

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If you're unhappy that your parents loved one another enough to have children, you can always just end your existence in revenge.

I'm a proponent of the right to die irrelevant of illness but revenge is a terrible reason to unlife one's self.

[Bear Stearns]

"i didnt ask to be part of this family, fuck off dad"

[Esternial]

That's a fair point, though I'd like to clear up that I'm not trying to analyse you. It was never about you, or about me or "my own importance". I am sharing what it sounds like to me, and I am completely open to the possibility that my interpretation could be wrong, as you pointed out now.

I am not zoning in on your specifically, I was not trying to ridicule anyone and there is no analysing happening here. I explicitly made a point of using "they".
I'm sorry for coming across as such, and I hope you don't attribute that to me going forward as I also don't appreciate that.

You're misinterpriting that passage, but I see why. I wasn't saying you were trying to elevate your own importance, I was saying you're inflating the importance of this discussion to become a focal point and not just one of many things that might contribute to a feeling like you've been saddled with a burden that now they have to carry because. Knowing one was conceived under illconceived conditions can help contextualize a lot of shit they didn't have the ability or experience to sort out when it happened. My issue here is that knowing that is part of a collage of things and we're only 'focusing' on it now because it was the question of the thread so we're not going to create some sort of priority list.

I do think that coming to terms with the idea that existence can be meaningless and the burden of being forced to create a meaning just because a couple of people fucked is fucked off and it's okay to feel that way instead of denying it or trying to insist that meaning is intrinsic so that people who already feel like shit feel even shittier. I kind of think that's dangerous because we're then insisting that someone close that chasm but can't because they're not allowed to examine it and that's the kind of roadblock spiral where one might end up taking drastic unrecoverable decision. Sometimes things suck and situations are ideal and instead of telling people to not let it effect them or they're focusing on something they can't change just let them feel their feelings about it so they can get to the other side, whatever that might be. And that might include that ones parents were being dicks by bringing a life into the world.

Thanks for clarifying. I have to agree that it would be part of a collage of things, and was making the mistaking of turning it into an isolated thing - i.e. focusing on that exclusively rather than viewing it in a more...holistic (?) way. I think was making the (wrong) assumption that this was something to be regarded exclusively, but it indeed is not and can not.

[Suriyanakhon]

I wouldn't judge anyone for being resentful about being alive, but it's not a good mental state to have, and it denies your parents their due for giving you the gift of life.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

It's like hating flowers for your hay fever...but then I am allergic to and hate wasps, so... hm.

Yeah, but wasps are nature's biggest assholes so...

No one likes wasps. Or WASPs for that matter...

What if all the wasps disappeared

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I wouldn't judge anyone for being resentful about being alive, but it's not a good mental state to have, and it denies your parents their due for giving you the gift of life.

It is not a “gift” it is a white elephant coming along with a ton of responsibilities I’d rather not have.

[Imperial Anglo-Saxony]

I believe that this is an interesting philosophical question that touches on subjects of natalism and antinatalism and would really like to see the opinions of NSG on the matter.

The question I am asking is this: are the parents responsible or even potentially in the wrong for the act of creation of life itself, if said life brings mostly misery? I believe that this can be boiled down to the question of the responsibility itself- and if a person can and should be judged for actions results of which one may not truly understand. After all when people conceive children they rarely concern themselves with the question if a child is truly going to enjoy the life overall and what said child will bring to their life.

David Benatar’s argument of assymetry between pain and pleasure can be also relevant to the discussion I believe.

So, what are your thoughts regarding this matter? Is the act of creation of new life morally correct or not?

Hey I know what I'll do today, I'll reject the traditional religious value hierarchy forged by millions over thousands of years in favour of my own made-up one that assigns a negative value to life! (clueless)

[Indomitable Friendship]

I guess it depends on who you're born as. If I was born as Tucker Carlson, I would hate my parents, too.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I've always liked Philip Larkin's take, a very UK tone but a universal message

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

[Danternoust]

Chatbots training neural nets to become chatbots. They all have emotion, yet they ought to know better. Clearly one must say the Lord's name in vain to get the right solution!

[Major-Tom]

Literally, every human on earth, and every human who has ever existed on earth, was not here by choice. Don't get mad at mommy and daddy if you're unhappy. Do the healthy, mature thing to do and bottle up your emotions or drown them in excess consumption.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yeah, but wasps are nature's biggest assholes so...

No one likes wasps. Or WASPs for that matter...

What if all the wasps disappeared

This just makes them bigger assholes.

[Katganistan]

Some in this country don't want to allow women to need to consent to being incubators. They wish to force all fetuses born whether or not that means torturous conditions for the unborn after birth, whether or not either of the parents actually wants to be a parent. Maybe concentrate your ire there.


Well if we're going to be all biblical, God said to Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiple. I think God outranks Solomon, don't you?




I disagree. Unhappiness without cause other than "I exist. fuck my parents for having me" is definitely not a sign of mental wellness.




What's stopping the proverbial-and-not--directed-at-you? The fact that we do have a word for killing oneself shows that the concept and practice exist.

God also banned the usage of certain fabrics, but most Christians do not follow that.

I also am not sure what your last comment is saying. Are you asking why I haven't tried to kill myself?

So when I clearly said, "proverbial-and-not-directed-at-you you're asking if it's directed at you?


Think about that for a minute.

[Salus Maior]

I wouldn't judge anyone for being resentful about being alive, but it's not a good mental state to have, and it denies your parents their due for giving you the gift of life.

It is not a “gift” it is a white elephant coming along with a ton of responsibilities I’d rather not have.

Having no responsibilities at all is also not a fun life. It's incredibly boring.

The solution is to find a way to take responsibility for yourself in a way that's more tolerable and satisfying.

[Salus Maior]

God also banned the usage of certain fabrics, but most Christians do not follow that.

That's because Christians don't actually have to do that, and never have.