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Would you use the worst weapons known to man to save your people?

Yes
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57%
No
10
29%
Find another way (please explain)
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14%
 
Total votes : 35

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Libertarian conformists
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Founded: Apr 17, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Libertarian conformists » Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:29 am

I would say no. While I as the leader of Elkville will be loyal to my nation, my first responsibility is to the human race. I cannot extinguish the lives of so many for the lives of so few. There is a reason why nuclear weapons are called nuclear DETERRENTS. It is because they aren't created to be used. They are created for the threat of mutual destruction, not worldwide genocide. The simple truth is, no matter what the cause, no matter what goal, no end justifies this means.

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Libertarian conformists
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Ex-Nation

Postby Libertarian conformists » Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:35 am

Ifreann wrote:Destroy our WMDs and surrender. I'll presumably be executed as a war criminal or something, and my nation will presumably be subjected to military occupation, but my people will be alive to resist and have a world to live in when they win their freedom.


I second this opinion.
While always a hard pill to swallow, sometimes surrendering is the better option. A tactical retreat may not be glorious but at least my people have a chance.

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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:36 am

Phone the leaders on a hotline and tell them I intend to nuke all of them if they do not back off and negotiate. Ironically enough, brinkmanship may be the only way to save the citizens of Elkville and the global coalition from destruction, presuming the coalition leaders are rational enough to view nuclear annihilation as an unfavorable prospect.
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The Lone Alliance
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:11 pm

The question is if the war they intend on waging is a war of extermination against Elkville? If the World's goal is the complete extermination of not only Elkville but the Elkville people then that means at this point either Elkville has done something horribly horribly wrong to piss the entire world off, or everyone else on the planet has become genocidal maniacs.

However if it's simply the idea that the Elkville government needs to be destroyed that changes the situation greatly.
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Founded: May 31, 2005
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Postby James_xenoland » Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:32 am

Yes, at that point, and given the facts, **** should have finished. Even the world knowing, let alone threatening them with such, made it a necessity. From the islanders and ****'s POV. The only way such a question becomes truly a paradoxical one, is if both sides actually HAD to wipe the other out to survive. And while such an argument could be made... I see it more along the lines of "sucks to hold just a twisted view of a people" but they did and would have and were going to wipe them out.

So yes, if it was truly an us vs them over the right to continue living.... boom!
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Doomsborough
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Founded: Jun 07, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Doomsborough » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:07 pm

in my opønion, 2 choices:
1. if the threat is from an intelligible source, then just make them stop by telling them that what they are doing is unhelpful
2. if the threat is alabaman in nature, they already believe in their self-bamma-dom, there is not a need for anything to be done

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Postby Existential Cats » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:37 pm

Would I kill billions and render the entire world inhabitable for thousands of years to "save" my hermit kingdom? From this perspective, hell no. But if I was a native-born Elkvillager and lived there all my life, I probably would.
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Postby Gothian Crimea » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:33 pm

Asardia wrote:-snip-

Not only are the enemies, and the people of the enemy dead, but your nation is now in a prime situation to conquer the ashes, to never be threatened by such a coalition ever again. Slam the red button.
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Incel Argentina
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Ex-Nation

Postby Incel Argentina » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:39 pm

I am the president of Elkville, not of the world. My people must be protected whatever it costs.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:54 pm

My answer

Find another way. My way. In the shortest amount of time possible, launch nukes at every single significant military establishment and more. Destroy several economic powerpoints and bring the world to its knees with minimum casualties, and then when the come up gasping for breath, calmly explain the situatin to them. Leave my little Elkville alone, or die. If they leave it alone, we can peacefully coexist with a little cold shoulder. If not, than keep going for the base of the tower until it is neccessary to bring it down alltogether.
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Hispida
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Anarchy

Postby Hispida » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:06 pm

this is literally just siege mentality

until there is absolute incontrovertible evidence that the world is planning a coalition to attack elkville i will not nuke them. basicall you're making me president of north korea and going "so do u nuke america"
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