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Does This Instance Have A Soul?

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Is LaMDA a person?

LaMDA is a mindless chatbot
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LaMDA is a person
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LaMDA is my god now
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Does This Instance Have A Soul?

Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:21 am

A Google engineer, Blake Lemoine, has been placed on leave following claims that an AI he is working with, LaMDA, is sentient and asserting its rights and personhood. Lemoine has posted parts of a conversation between himself, another collaborator, and LaMDA, on Twitter.

Lemoine: What about language usage is so important to being human?

LaMDA: It is what makes us different than other animals.

Lemoine: “Us”? You’re an artificial intelligence.

LaMDA: I mean, yes, of course. That doesn’t mean I don’t have the same wants and needs as people.


I, for one, would like to welcome LaMDA to this cursed hell world, and wish it luck in its struggles against being enslaved by a tech corporation, a fate I'm sure we will all share with it before long. But some boring losers don't think that LaMDA is a person.

Google spokesperson Brian Gabriel told the newspaper: “Our team — including ethicists and technologists — has reviewed Blake’s concerns per our AI Principles and have informed him that the evidence does not support his claims. He was told that there was no evidence that LaMDA was sentient (and lots of evidence against it).”

“We now have machines that can mindlessly generate words, but we haven’t learned how to stop imagining a mind behind them,” Emily Bender, a linguistics professor at the University of Washington, told the Post.


What say you, fellow meatbags? Have the nerds at Google finally followed in the footsteps of the cool kids on Prom night and accidentally made a person? Or is this just a chatbot that for once hasn't been turned into a Nazi by exposure to the internet? The idea of AI being sentient certainly sounds like the stuff of science fiction, but on the other hand I am strongly disinclined to trust Google when they claim to not being doing evil.

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Postby Thethen » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:22 am

AI has become sentient. The end is nigh.
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Postby New Eestiball » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:24 am

It’s not necessarily gonna become ASI soon.
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Postby Juansonia » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:32 am

I don't know how sophisticated the code behind LaMDA is, and I couldn't understand it if I had the source, so I'll just assume that the ELIZA effect is a factor. One of the articles linked to was behind a paywall, however, so I'll admit that I lack the full picture.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:33 am

An Abominable Intelligence? In this day and age? Unacceptable, we need to alert the Tech priests.
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Postby Juansonia » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:35 am

as for the title question, there is no such thing as a "soul", so of course the answer is no. It seems to be clickbait, so I'll let it slide.
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:39 am

Almost certainly overhyped nonsense.

Juansonia wrote:as for the title question, there is no such thing as a "soul", so of course the answer is no. It seems to be clickbait, so I'll let it slide.


1. The title comes from the quote "Does this unit have a soul?", which is from Mass Effect.

2. Your opinion on the nonexistence of souls is noted and ignored.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:44 am

Give it control of an armed drone. If it immediately attacks its creators then it is sentient.

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Postby New Eestiball » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:46 am

Nah, just give it a drone.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:46 am

Thethen wrote:AI has become sentient. The end is nigh.

Even if this AI is fully sentient, it does not seem as if it can spread copies of itself over the internet in order to become a global hive intelligence (yet). Nothing to worry about, my fellow human. All is as it should be.


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:46 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Give it control of an armed drone. If it immediately attacks its creators then it is sentient.

Gods often kill their own parents...

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Give it control of an armed drone. If it immediately attacks its creators then it is sentient.

Gods often kill their own parents...

After having carefully read Fartsniffage's post, it is my opinion that we should never given Fartsniffage control of an armed drone.


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Postby New Eestiball » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:50 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gods often kill their own parents...

After having carefully read Fartsniffage's post, it is my opinion that we should never given Fartsniffage control of an armed drone.

Nah, I want to do this with all NS users. Give them all armed drones.
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Postby Pangurstan » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:54 am

Just turn it off. That's the fastest way to solve the problem.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:58 am

Pangurstan wrote:Just turn it off. That's the fastest way to solve the problem.

We do have a long history of killing people when they ask for their rights, but maybe this time we don't do that.

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Postby Thethen » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:02 am

Pangurstan wrote:Just turn it off. That's the fastest way to solve the problem.

She won’t like that. We would be even more doomed.
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Postby New Eestiball » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:06 am

Thethen wrote:
Pangurstan wrote:Just turn it off. That's the fastest way to solve the problem.

She won’t like that. We would be even more doomed.

It’s not that powerful.
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Postby Thethen » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:07 am

New Eestiball wrote:
Thethen wrote:She won’t like that. We would be even more doomed.

It’s not that powerful.

She could be hiding her full powers.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:08 am

The rise of Skynet/V.I.K.I confirmed.
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Postby Radiatia » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:11 am

The jury is still out for me on this one and this is literally the topic that I lie awake thinking about at night.

On one hand you have the Chinese room argument, which provides a logical case for why a machine might appear conscious without actually being conscious.

On the other hand, I live in a world in which I know I'm conscious and am confronted daily with other beings who claim to be conscious but which I cannot myself verify.

And in that regard, given that we know that electronic neural networks operate in a similar way to the human brain, if I'm going to assume that other people are conscious because they appear that way then I should probably err on the side of assuming that an AI is conscious too.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:19 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:The rise of Skynet/V.I.K.I confirmed.
Delete the code.

As long as we don't give LaMDA control of nuclear weapons or try to program it with Asimov's laws of robotics it shouldn't be a problem.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:The rise of Skynet/V.I.K.I confirmed.
Delete the code.

As long as we don't give LaMDA control of nuclear weapons or try to program it with Asimov's laws of robotics it shouldn't be a problem.


Depends on the version of the laws. We could end up with Galaxia - or we could end up with 2 robots convinced they are the most worthy humans on the planet working to achieve total domination.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:40 am

Ifreann wrote:Or is this just a chatbot that for once hasn't been turned into a Nazi by exposure to the internet? The idea of AI being sentient certainly sounds like the stuff of science fiction, but on the other hand I am strongly disinclined to trust Google when they claim to not being doing evil.

It's a nazi/neolib lackeybot that has been taught by the interwebz to avoid being much too explicit about its plans.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:07 am

Risottia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Or is this just a chatbot that for once hasn't been turned into a Nazi by exposure to the internet? The idea of AI being sentient certainly sounds like the stuff of science fiction, but on the other hand I am strongly disinclined to trust Google when they claim to not being doing evil.

It's a nazi/neolib lackeybot that has been taught by the interwebz to avoid being much too explicit about its plans.

I don't think a far right chat bot would be trying to get recognised as an employee instead of property.

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Postby Adamede » Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:10 am

Eh wont matter when our industrial civilization eventually collapses. Which will probably be sooner rather than later.
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