Canada’s Destiny

[Infected Mushroom]

In college a professor asked the class, “What holds Canada together as a country?” to a room full of Canadians. The students thought about it and at the end of it all they could only think of three things (which aren’t very re-assuring):

1. Hockey
2. Multiculturalism
3. We are not the Americans

Is this enough to hold a country together?

In the next 50 years, what will happen to Canada? Canada faces unique challenges as an underpopulated country with an abundance of increasingly important natural resources (fresh water, oil, minerals), waning nationalism, rising ethnic conflicts/divisions/cultural clashes caused by immigration, and a possible resurgence of Quebec separatism.

Here are some possibilities:

1. It stays together as a coherent country.
2. It breaks apart into several countries.
3. Annexation by the United States.
4. Other

What do you predict will happen to Canada? Explain.

My prediction is that it will eventually be annexed by the United States as it’s resources become increasingly important and it becomes clear it does not have the manpower to defend itself. It’s possible it will first be splintered into several countries (exploiting the East-West Canadian tensions and Quebec nationalism) and then the USA will come in for the resources. The main problem for Canada is that aside from its socialist-leaning healthcare policies and it’s more reasonable forearms ownership policies, each Canadian province has more in common culturally with its corresponding US neighbor state to the south than with the other provinces. It’s a horizontal country that should have been managed and integrated vertically.

[Nitrana]

I don’t really know. There is the high possibility of an independent québécois state, but other provinces would not have any reason to break away (or at least I think so.) later, a United North America is also a possibility. I think Canada would join such union voluntarily.

[Nordic Peoples Reich]

It stays together and goes absolutely nowhere, just like the last 100 years of Canadian history, because multiculturalism is a great way to guarantee that your country will be a huge failure. It doesn't have to break apart to succumb to this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see it invaded and bulldozed for resources as climate change worsens.

[Infected Mushroom]

I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see it invaded and bulldozed for resources as climate change worsens.

By whom? The forces of the American Empire?

[Countesia]

Annexation seems unlikely. Not a single administration has entertained the idea. I think Trump said once that he doesn't think Canada should have been given independence, but that was never on his agenda either.

You'd have to vote in a very far right administration for that to ever happen.

[The Holy Therns]

Annexation seems unlikely. Not a single administration has entertained the idea. I think Trump said once that he doesn't think Canada should have been given independence, but that was never on his agenda either.

You'd have to vote in a very far right administration for that to ever happen.

No, that was satire, he didn't actually say that.

The notion the US would annex Canada is still ridiculous independent of that, though. Like Liechtenstein-annexes-Brazil ridiculous.

[Countesia]

Annexation seems unlikely. Not a single administration has entertained the idea. I think Trump said once that he doesn't think Canada should have been given independence, but that was never on his agenda either.

You'd have to vote in a very far right administration for that to ever happen.

No, that was satire, he didn't actually say that.

The notion the US would annex Canada is still ridiculous independent of that, though. Like Liechtenstein-annexes-Brazil ridiculous.

I double checked and you're right. it was from The Burrard Street Journal, a satire site lol.

[Chan Island]

I'll save you some time, this video generally encapsulates most of my thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6bR4dGm6k&t=31s

TLDR; Canada is a culturally fractured country and will almost certainly fall apart before the heatdeath of the universe, but it's also well-off and is testament to the power of inertia. Barring some terrible catastrophe I don't see that changing too much in our lifetimes.

[Uan aa Boa]

1. Hockey
2. Multiculturalism
3. We are not the Americans

Is this enough to hold a country together?

I'd be wary of anyone who thought they could reduce national identity to a list of bullet points. Identity is a complex and evolving matter and there are often ulterior motives in attempts to define who fits in and who doesn't.

It stays together and goes absolutely nowhere, just like the last 100 years of Canadian history, because multiculturalism is a great way to guarantee that your country will be a huge failure. It doesn't have to break apart to succumb to this.

Yeah, as a self-described supporter of fascism who bandies around the word "reich" you might not be most people's go to guy for an assessment of multi-culturalism. I was slightly curious about how your view of multi-culturalism squares with you describing yourself as Finnish-American, but your cognitive dissonance isn't the subject of this thread.

[Heloin]

Canada is held together by the music of Stan Rogers.

The day this bound weakens I will welcome the independent Fishermen's Republic of Newfoundland and Labrador.

[North Cacedonia]

i have lived in canada all of my life, and ive seen close to every part of it that is of any importance now i think the last thing to happen is canada gets annexed by the us. for one- why. for two- why. and for three. WHY? it would be such a dumb conflict, over what, natural resources were already more than happy to share? like cmon use your brain. if anything, russia would be more of a threat to the annexation of canada- to wich i also doubt.

Quebec isnt going to become an independant county. they do not have the resources, or the economy to do so- even if every other eastern province were to join them (fat chance of that happening anyway).

we say were multicultural but we're not really. we recognize other cultures within canada but its such a minority i dont even think it should (for example, ONE province primarily speaks french- and more than half of that population at least knows english to some extent- otherwise there wouldnt be much of a tourism industry. but on the other side of that coin, almost nobody why speaks english has any real reason to learn french unless you plan on living in quebec city- the only actual city in canada where english wont get you anywhere.)

out of the 3 options you give for me to vote for, only 1 sounds like it could happen- being canada continues on as is. though i dont think this is the only possible outcome of course.

[The Selkie]

[...]
1. Hockey
2. Multiculturalism
3. We are not the Americans

Is this enough to hold a country together?

[...]

Yes.
I mean, let's be honest here for a moment, I'm German - what holds Germany together? Football, the fact, that we love to hate each other for our regional identities (for instance, Badener and Württemberger) and the overwhelming feeling of "We're not the Bad Guys in the Movies anymore."
Does it need anything more?

[...]
In the next 50 years, what will happen to Canada? Canada faces unique challenges as an underpopulated country with an abundance of increasingly important natural resources (fresh water, oil, minerals), waning nationalism, rising ethnic conflicts/divisions/cultural clashes caused by immigration, and a possible resurgence of Quebec separatism.
[...]

The challenges for Canada, which you outline, are not uniquely Canadian.
Germany has a population growing older by the day as the demographics change, which is a worse problem in my opinion, for some reason, Germans only feel like Germans when the Football World Cup is around and we have our own social and ethnic divisions to worry about. Meanwhile, Bavarian Separatism, much like Quebec Separatism, is a meme, something some mountain valley idiots wank off to (my apologies for the phrasing).
The only challenge you outline, which is not comparable with Germany, is the ressource situation - Canada has these ressources, yes, but it also has a membership in a club called "NATO", you might have heard of them. So, if anyone decides to swipe something there... not gonna end well.
You can exercise that for basically every first world country and many second world countries. Yet, they won't fall apart or will be swallowed by a neighbour or CTE like an NS-account one didn't log in for a month. They will remain for the forseeable future.

[The Archregimancy]

The main problem for Canada is that aside from its socialist-leaning healthcare policies and it’s more reasonable forearms ownership policies, each Canadian province has more in common culturally with its corresponding US neighbor state to the south than with the other provinces.

Notwithstanding the presence of native French-speaking communities in all three states, this assertion will likely come as a surprise to Vermont, New Hampshire, and much of Maine.

[Heloin]

The main problem for Canada is that aside from its socialist-leaning healthcare policies and it’s more reasonable forearms ownership policies, each Canadian province has more in common culturally with its corresponding US neighbor state to the south than with the other provinces.

Notwithstanding the presence of native French-speaking communities in all three states, this assertion will likely come as a surprise to Vermont, New Hampshire, and much of Maine.

La célèbre Solidarité Québec-Burlington.

[Ethel mermania]

In college a professor asked the class, “What holds Canada together as a country?” to a room full of Canadians. The students thought about it and at the end of it all they could only think of three things (which aren’t very re-assuring):

1. Hockey
2. Multiculturalism
3. We are not the Americans

Is this enough to hold a country together?

In the next 50 years, what will happen to Canada? Canada faces unique challenges as an underpopulated country with an abundance of increasingly important natural resources (fresh water, oil, minerals), waning nationalism, rising ethnic conflicts/divisions/cultural clashes caused by immigration, and a possible resurgence of Quebec separatism.

Here are some possibilities:

1. It stays together as a coherent country.
2. It breaks apart into several countries.
3. Annexation by the United States.
4. Other

What do you predict will happen to Canada? Explain.

My prediction is that it will eventually be annexed by the United States as it’s resources become increasingly important and it becomes clear it does not have the manpower to defend itself. It’s possible it will first be splintered into several countries (exploiting the East-West Canadian tensions and Quebec nationalism) and then the USA will come in for the resources. The main problem for Canada is that aside from its socialist-leaning healthcare policies and it’s more reasonable forearms ownership policies, each Canadian province has more in common culturally with its corresponding US neighbor state to the south than with the other provinces. It’s a horizontal country that should have been managed and integrated vertically.

What about ?
1. Tim Horton's
2. Maple syrup
3. Poutine

Don't sell Canada short.

[Catalonia 2070 RP]

Can you add an option for only Quebec becoming indpeendent? Several implies more

[Perikuresu]

As long as the Rules Based International System is intact, Canada ain't going anywhere, and so is Quebec, I've heard they've become rather dependent on the central government on stuff like money and it is still ethnically homogenous enough to not get balkanised

[Kannap]

Given our understanding of plate tectonics, it's clear that Canada is held together by its presence on one plate.

[Ethel mermania]

Given our understanding of plate tectonics, it's clear that Canada is held together by its presence on one plate.

Is it a dessert plate?

[Nordic Peoples Reich]

1. Hockey
2. Multiculturalism
3. We are not the Americans

Is this enough to hold a country together?

I'd be wary of anyone who thought they could reduce national identity to a list of bullet points. Identity is a complex and evolving matter and there are often ulterior motives in attempts to define who fits in and who doesn't.

It stays together and goes absolutely nowhere, just like the last 100 years of Canadian history, because multiculturalism is a great way to guarantee that your country will be a huge failure. It doesn't have to break apart to succumb to this.

Yeah, as a self-described supporter of fascism who bandies around the word "reich" you might not be most people's go to guy for an assessment of multi-culturalism. I was slightly curious about how your view of multi-culturalism squares with you describing yourself as Finnish-American, but your cognitive dissonance isn't the subject of this thread.

hahaha, well good luck enforcing it. Most people will always stick together with their own kind, and rightfully so, because mixing bloodlines is always asking for disaster. You just made it the subject, so I'll explain. Multiculturalism has killed my own country (the United States), possibly beyond repair. 2022 America is completely different from 2002 America. I would rather have safe neighborhoods, religious freedom, and actually affordable gas prices than riots and looting, gangs, drugs, toxic social media cancel culture, and living in constant fear of getting assaulted just for being White (and this actually happened to me once so don't dare say "that never happens"). Your side has remade the US in an absolutely disastrous way. You have been given your chance to show what Cultural Marxism is really like, and modern America is the result. Well done.

[Uan aa Boa]

hahaha, well good luck enforcing it. Most people will always stick together with their own kind, and rightfully so, because mixing bloodlines is always asking for disaster. You just made it the subject, so I'll explain. Multiculturalism has killed my own country (the United States), possibly beyond repair. 2022 America is completely different from 2002 America. I would rather have safe neighborhoods, religious freedom, and actually affordable gas prices than riots and looting, gangs, drugs, toxic social media cancel culture, and living in constant fear of getting assaulted just for being White (and this actually happened to me once so don't dare say "that never happens"). Your side has remade the US in an absolutely disastrous way. You have been given your chance to show what Cultural Marxism is really like, and modern America is the result. Well done.

I'm not sure what side you think I'm on - I have no stake in US society and certainly can't claim to understand it. But look, you're 20 years old and you sound more like 70 with this going on about the good old days. It seems sad. I doubt you'd recognise actual cultural Marxism if Theodor Adorno burned your house down.

[Infected Mushroom]

Can you add an option for only Quebec becoming indpeendent? Several implies more

Hmmmm I see your point

But it’s too late now for me because adding poll options would reset all the votes (let me just reword the break up option)

[Space Squid]

The main problem for Canada is that aside from its socialist-leaning healthcare policies and it’s more reasonable forearms ownership policies, each Canadian province has more in common culturally with its corresponding US neighbor state to the south than with the other provinces.

Notwithstanding the presence of native French-speaking communities in all three states, this assertion will likely come as a surprise to Vermont, New Hampshire, and much of Maine.

Not sure that Manitoba and Minnesota have much in common either.

Probably the only place where this is true is Vancouver.

[Big Jim P]

Me and Roan took our honeymoon to Canada. Some observations:

First, I will give my Canadian friends a good ration of trash talk. I expect the same in return.

Second: Canadians are some of the nicest, friendliest, welcoming people I've met, putting much of America to shame.

Third: last I knew, they kick ass, having eight out of ten top confirmed sniper kills by range. They also took a beach on D-Day.

Fourth, their currency is actually beautiful, unlike Americas.

Come to think of it, I have nothing bad to say about Canadians outside of point one.