The New Legacy: What will people think of Russia soon?

[Equai]

Apparently the Yugoslav Wars were a figment of my imagination.

The Yugoslav wars weren't imperialist, because NATO intervened to stop a genocide. If they overthrew the Serbian government to gain access to its natural resources, then it would be imperialist.

Invading a country during a civil war to get a share of its natural resources most certainly is.




Indeed

The US government intervened in the Russian civil wars to attempt to spread democracy to Russia, which is also not imperialist.

They literally dropped depleted uranium bombs on the civilians and civilian targets. There was nothing noble in bombing Yugoslavia. It's a purposely done to bend Yugoslavia into the neo-liberals capitalist hellhole. Just couple of years before bombing of Yugoslavia USA leadership praised Milosevic and had KLA marked as a terrorist organization. Granted, Milosevic was an ass and a capitalist oligarch, just like any other first president of newly independent ex-yugpslav countries and he wasn't a saint. But neither were the leadership of KLA who also committed war crimes on same scales as the army of Yugoslavia. But that is not the reason to punish civilians of any side because they came in the crossfire. Yugoslavian bombing was only political and imperialistic move. Yugoslavian leaderhso wasn't the saint in this story, neither were Albanian leadership and Croatian leadership. The bombing doesn't justify that. Especially because it was a NATO operation which is illegal as Yugoslavia never attacked any NATO members and because of the reason I will say further below.
Tho, since you are very much "we must bomb countries to stop genocode" then why USA never bombed Rhodesia? Why it didn't bombed France because their troops actively helped that genocide? Why they didn't bombed Indonesia for their genocides and war crimes against leftists and East Timorians? WHY IT DIDN'T BOMBED ITSELF FOR IT'S WAR CRIMES IN VIETNAM AND KOREA?
Also no it's not whataboutism since it directly connects to the question of Yugoslavian bombing which was illegal by the international law, The UN Security Council and the UN Charter. Yugoslavian civil war was internal matter and internal matter only. When it was done then equally there should've been arrests and trials for war criminals from all sides, leaderships of all involved included. Alwa lys support all the people caught in the crossfire and never support the military industrial complex.

Also for US internation in Russian Civil War, the situation is the same as above. Civil war is internal matter and internal matter only. Especially because it was a revolution against the oppressive tsarist regime. USA had no right to be there.

[Hiram Land]

Also for US internation in Russian Civil War, the situation is the same as above. Civil war is internal matter and internal matter only. Especially because it was a revolution against the oppressive tsarist regime. USA had no right to be there.

Neither did Japan, Germany, Britain, Czechoslovakia, list goes on.

But what happens if that civil war spreads to other nations? The Russian Empire was huge and nations seperated from it (Finland, Baltic states) - they also had to deal with their own civil wars (like in Estonia where they were invaded by the Soviets).

It wasn't just a "revolution against the oppressive tsarist regime", it became a chaotic military anarchy of sorts - why did the Civil War continue (and get worse) after the Tsar and his family were killed?

[Neo-Western East Korea]

Also for US internation in Russian Civil War, the situation is the same as above. Civil war is internal matter and internal matter only. Especially because it was a revolution against the oppressive tsarist regime. USA had no right to be there.

Neither did Japan, Germany, Britain, Czechoslovakia, list goes on.

But what happens if that civil war spreads to other nations? The Russian Empire was huge and nations seperated from it (Finland, Baltic states) - they also had to deal with their own civil wars (like in Estonia where they were invaded by the Soviets).

It wasn't just a "revolution against the oppressive tsarist regime", it became a chaotic military anarchy of sorts - why did the Civil War continue (and get worse) after the Tsar and his family were killed?

I mean, it got worse for a multitude of reasons, but the most obvious in relation to the tsar is that he wasn’t all that important to the white movement anymore.

It’s not like his constant failures, possible sword-induced brain damage, hiring of (in the common perception) a homeless warlock, putting his German wife in charge of the nation (with the homeless warlock) while they were at war at Germany, larping as a general, and other idiotic actions were simply forgotten by the white movement.
Even the actual tzarists in the white army wanted to have him replaced with a cousin or Alexi, and they were not a large demographic at this point.

The White Movement, at this point, contained members of the Menshiviks to the Right-SR’s to the Tzarists to Proto-Fascists, so the death of the tzar didn’t affect morale much for those who weren’t carrying the flag for Alexi, and even then they could just switch to a cousin.

[NEON Cactus Kid]

Hopefully, they go the same way that Germany, Italy, and Japan did. Leave totalitarianism and imperialism in the past, and embrace a democratic and constructive future.

[Bassoe]

They'll be disliked, but between nuclear MAD deterrence and the fact that sanctioning their oil and the wheat formerly from Ukraine they export would cause literal mass starvation, nobody will be able to do anything meaningful about them. So basically the same situation as modern China where yes, they're an imperialistic dictatorship actively engaged in conquest and genocide, but there's nothing we can do about it and we don't want to upset them into not trading with us.

Don't like it, should've maintained domestic energy generation and farming.

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

Hopefully, they go the same way that Germany, Italy, and Japan did. Leave totalitarianism and imperialism in the past, and embrace a democratic and constructive future.

Firmly agreed. There is a movement of Russians advocating for freedom and against the war. They fly the old Novgorod flag, the white-blue-white. Has anyone here heard of them?

[Adamede]

Apparently the Yugoslav Wars were a figment of my imagination.

The Yugoslav wars weren't imperialist, because NATO intervened to stop a genocide. If they overthrew the Serbian government to gain access to its natural resources, then it would be imperialist.

Invading a country during a civil war to get a share of its natural resources most certainly is.




Indeed

The US government intervened in the Russian civil wars to attempt to spread democracy to Russia, which is also not imperialist.

No the American intervention was part of the British and French lead interventions to prop up the provisonal government and keep Russia in the war.

I do tire however how much people harp on the US however despite the fact that they were second fiddle when it came to the Western intervention. 11k -13k American soldiers comapred to some 60K British, 15k French and even 30k Greek.