The New Legacy: What will people think of Russia soon?

[Vavlar]

Following the Ukraine war, which started with Russian attention, I have had a question in the back of my mind for a while. This of course, is somewhat important for future geopolitics such as future US politicians or politicians from countries creating stereotypes against Russia or Russians for political gain or securing national interests? And especially with increasing rhetoric against Russia and Russians, calling them aggressors and fascists and especially a fascist dictatorship. This is only winning the popularity war which does not help anything but rally support for sending supplies and aid. Moving onto the main point of this thread based off of several questions I have had:
For how long will Russia be thought of as communist?
In the future will Russia be thought of as Fascist, Communist, or nationalistic communist?
Is Russia doomed to forever economic damnation to keep it weak?
Now that Russia has been sanctioned and the EU pledging to no longer use Russian oil which is a large source of energy from the EU, will there be a faster conversion to "clean energy" sources?
Is Russia causing a larger cause for unification of the European Continent?
(For example, the time Russia violated Irish national waters for a naval exercise)

[Free Algerstonia]

i'm confident that this time next year public opinion will rightfully sway in favor of russia after they realize how bad ukraine is

[Nevertopia]

Russia's legacy will be like Germany's legacy. They will be remembered for the action of a terrible dictator but as time goes on they will be a part of the international community while having addressed the issues that said dictator left behind.

[Sordhau]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

[Haganham]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

Doubling down on this. A lot of "leftists" aren't left. They're anti west authoritarians. This is why you consistently see them making strange bedfellows with fascists when the west goes up against them.
"I am antiimperalist"
"The west is imperialist"
"These people are opposed to the west"
"Therefore these people are antiimperalist"

[Existential Cats]

Russia's legacy will be like Germany's legacy. They will be remembered for the action of a terrible dictator but as time goes on they will be a part of the international community while having addressed the issues that said dictator left behind.

Yeah, Russia would have to go through some massive internal change to become as integral to the international community as Germany. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Vavlar]

i'm confident that this time next year public opinion will rightfully sway in favor of russia after they realize how bad ukraine is

Hopefully it rebounds to more neutral to prevent a pointless war into Siberia. Not only problematic insurgents in the vastness of Siberia, but the people who will die from the cold and starvation. There is a reason the Germans lost and same with Napoleon. Napoleon was starvation and cold, but the Germans could have easily brought parkas or cold weather resistant clothes. Especially with Hiter's refusal to move troops and strategically rescue them for defending. But the Russians have a smaller front and Putin is probably more observant in his moves than Hiter was, as Hiter was based off of impulse and ideology.

Russia's legacy will be like Germany's legacy. They will be remembered for the action of a terrible dictator but as time goes on they will be a part of the international community while having addressed the issues that said dictator left behind.

Well, Russia has elections. Just one thing: Russia has always been conservative culturally and thanks to religion as well. Putin may be seen as a fascist or dictator by the West and Russians labeled as Fascist and violent rather than AK-47 wielding squat dancing alcoholics wearing Adidas track suits that are communist. Yes, Memes really do affect how people see and believe things. I also remember the West criticized Lukashenko for protest on accusations of suppression and election rigging, but Lukashenko was quickly forgotten about. There was also the journalist kidnappings due to a threat made on a plan containing journalists that criticized Lukashenko that were on an airplane that was threatened unless it landed in Minsk and lead to the EU banning flights over and to Belarus. Then here comes the migrant crisis of when Belarus promised refugees to come into Belarus, but then he refused for them to come in and had them stuck on the Polish-Belarusian border, with the migrants being stuck in a nationalistic country which does not want to support immigrants from Syria or non-Slavic and especially non-Polish immigrants. Yet, there were more terror attacks in Germany and other places, which ruined the mood of supporting immigrants overall and especially Muslims in Germany. This is a rather smart move because you make the enemy country's leader look bad for sharing resources with non-wanted people.

i'm confident that this time next year public opinion will rightfully sway in favor of russia after they realize how bad ukraine is

Hopefully it rebounds to 2018 or 2020 views, not current because it is just stupid and wasteful, as Ukraine has been draining the US's much needed money but even that money is not spent on paying off debt.

Russia's legacy will be like Germany's legacy. They will be remembered for the action of a terrible dictator but as time goes on they will be a part of the international community while having addressed the issues that said dictator left behind.

Yeah, Russia would have to go through some massive internal change to become as integral to the international community as Germany. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Agreed, many people believe for their country's self-determination.

[Infected Mushroom]

Russia is one of the few countries left that can effectively counterbalance the forces of American imperialism.

[Pangurstan]

Putin's Russia will be a footnote in history and will only be remembered as the source of inspiration for the world-spanning realm of God-Emperor Biden.

[Samrif]

I am amused at seeing people say that Russia can effectively counter US and it’s allies in Europe. Russia is effectively Saddam Hussein's Iraq but actually having WMDs. A Western invasion of Russia will go like the invasion of Iraq.
Overall I don't think the European perception of an extremely aggressive Russia will change any time soon. In most of Asia and Africa though Russia isn't seen as an enemy but much more like a friend especially in India and China which probably won't change in the near future.

[Adamede]

Russia's legacy will be like Germany's legacy. They will be remembered for the action of a terrible dictator but as time goes on they will be a part of the international community while having addressed the issues that said dictator left behind.

Thing is Germany had its authoritarian structures (in the western part at least) completely destroyed by the western powers, with frankly no input from the Germans.

The Russians will be on their own and I don’t see it becoming non-authoritarian anytime soon.

[Adamede]

Russia is one of the few countries left that can effectively counterbalance the forces of American imperialism.

Even if I agreed with your world view, no. Russia is a dead empire. It has failed at power projection outside of its immediate neighborhood against the poorest nation Europe. It can’t hope to bloc American influence in the Middle East or Africa or Asia, merely in convince it, at best. And it certainly can’t stop the spread of American/NATO “imperialism”, as Russia’s own imperialism has pushed pretty much all of Eastern Europe (+ Georgia) in America’s arms, throwing away any gains Russia did have and strengthening Americas position.

Now if you want a real counter to America China is it, but it still remains to be seen with them whether they can actually push America out of their established spheres of influence or merely expand into the regions that America has no/little influence.

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America, Russia, and China are all right-wing authoritarian regimes respectively increasing in order of tyranny.

[Risottia]

For how long will Russia be thought of as communist?

By people who understand history? Russia isn't "communist" in any possible, meaningful sense since 1991 at the very least.
By political pundits and their claque? Ha.

In the future will Russia be thought of as Fascist, Communist, or nationalistic communist?

As an authoritarian, nationalistic right-wing regime. It's not fascist and it's not communist either.

Is Russia doomed to forever economic damnation to keep it weak?

No. Eventually, the economic forces within Russia will find that having only PRC as full-access export market, while their other exports must go through the Turkish Straits or through the Baltic Sea or through Iran isn't a great idea.

Now that Russia has been sanctioned and the EU pledging to no longer use Russian oil which is a large source of energy from the EU, will there be a faster conversion to "clean energy" sources?

That's likely. Not sure, though.
The EP resolution about discontinuing production and sales of fossil-fuel powered vehicles starting in 2035 will have a stronger impact on that conversion.

Is Russia causing a larger cause for unification of the European Continent?

No. Even right now, there are anti-union cabinets in the EU, like Orban's.

(For example, the time Russia violated Irish national waters for a naval exercise)

False. Russia wanted to conduct wargames in the Irish EEZ, which isn't national waters. Territorial waters end at 12 nm (some 20 km) from the coast baseline.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A dead empire riddled with corruption and vast demographic issues desperately trying to remain relevant in a world where, with the exception of its nuclear, it simply doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Stellar Colonies]

A tough question to consider while the war is still ongoing, although wider demographic, economic, and climatic trends may hint at it.

My guess is a country badly wounded by the events of the twentieth century attempting to maintain its grasp on relevancy, but that could be incorrect.

[Evil Tac Nayn]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

I thought opinions of the Russian Empire ranged from that to “Look at these broke idiots”

I sort of agree with whoever said Russia’s legacy will be like Germany’s, except it already sort of is

Russia is known very well for the murderous regimes of Stalin and oppression during the Khrushchev era, and the current situation might make their legacy worse that the Germans in the long run

[-Astoria-]

Russia's legacy will be like Germany's legacy. They will be remembered for the action of a terrible dictator but as time goes on they will be a part of the international community while having addressed the issues that said dictator left behind.

Pretty much.

[Haganham]

It will take a while to live it down, even if they reform.
Russia's reputation for the next 80 years

[Equai]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

THIS! Yes, Russia is not perfect and it's geological position didn't gave them good start. Yes, it's true that Putin is not a good person and has introduced very disgusting laws (bit so did Poland and USA who literally has fascist concentration camps for immigrants) but it's stupid painting Russia as the biggest devil while justifying western imperialism that, in most cases, is even worse then the Russian one. Tho, imperialism is imperialism and no matter from which side should never be encouraged or supported.
What Russian leadership did is not acceptable and it's the act of imperialism but it's hypocritical saying that and not acknowledging that western nations did and still do very same things.

That being said, however, west will never learn to separate leaders from the common people and will gladly support the economic genocide aka the sanctions that doesn't even affect the elite but makes life of the already poor population even poorer which in turn only makes them more disgusted by the west. It's even worse to see some people thinking that Russian legacy will be worse then that of a Nazi Germany which is disgusting and only shows that western conservatives and neo-liberals will gladly mingle with Nazi regime then have a one good word to say about Russia or common working people of Russia.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Russia is one of the few countries left that can effectively counterbalance the forces of American imperialism.

Counterbalance, maybe. Effectively? Certainly not.

More to the point, there isn't very much of a point in opposing American imperialism if the force doing simply intends to replace it with their own imperialism.

[Ifreann]

(For example, the time Russia violated Irish national waters for a naval exercise)

No they didn't.

[The Lone Alliance]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

Please stop insulting the eastern hordes by comparing them to Russia, I really doubt the Horde would allow such a level of corruption to plague their military. It's not even an accurate argument.

[The North Polish Union]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

Please.

During most of the Russian Empire period "The West" as a meaningful concept didn't exist, and most of the colonial powers viewed Russia they same way they viewed the rest of one another. That is, the views shifted from more or less positive to more or less negative depending on the current international political context.

If you want to realize just what the colonial powers thought was Europe's "beacon of barbarism" in the Imperial era you should read how they felt about the recently-independent Romanians and Bulgarians. If you want "eastern hordes" rhetoric combined with talks about "violence, misery, and tyranny" one can read their feelings on the Turks.

Imagine having this level of historical paranoia on behalf of a country that you're not even from, and which would likely badly mistreat you if you went there.

[Sordhau]

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

Doubling down on this. A lot of "leftists" aren't left. They're anti west authoritarians. This is why you consistently see them making strange bedfellows with fascists when the west goes up against them.
"I am antiimperalist"
"The west is imperialist"
"These people are opposed to the west"
"Therefore these people are antiimperalist"

I have never supported Russian imperialism, and have in fact condemned it multiple times.

But by all means keep making a fool of yourself.

Western perceptions of Russia and Russians as a land and people of violence, misery, and tyranny have been the norm since the Russian Empire and there is no reason to believe this will change.

The West sees Russia as a beacon of barbarism because we want to; because it makes it easier to justify our own imperialism by drumming up the big bad eastern horde threatening to destroy us all or whatever other apocalyptic, fearmongering nonsense neoliberal warhawks are spouting these days.

Please stop insulting the eastern hordes by comparing them to Russia, I really doubt the Horde would allow such a level of corruption to plague their military. It's not even an accurate argument.

I'm not the one comparing Russia to eastern hordes; that's an entirely Western invention dating back to Imperial Germany during WWI, which became popular elsewhere in the West during the Cold War - characterizing Russia as a land dominated by the sort of uncivilized savagery that Westerners believe embodied the various Eurasian steppe nomads throughout history. Ironically the West themselves applied the exact same view to Germany during WWI as well lol.