A Matter of Pride

[The Proud Transphobe]

They don't. Your side directly claims your feelings override science.


Up until recently, basically yes. They would have been thinking "female", which refers to individuals who produce eggs and can typically get pregnant. The only reason for any linguistic change is your side decided to appropriate sexual terms as terms for gender, then gaslight as the majority of us continue to use it the way we've always meant.

Apparently accepting that people are more than their genitals is gaslighting now.

lol I said this before, but just because I call someone a "he" doesn't mean I think they have no characteristics other than their biological sex. I'm seriously amazed at how many opinions you have created in your head for me to have that I literally don't.

They don't. Your side directly claims your feelings override science.


Up until recently, basically yes. They would have been thinking "female", which refers to individuals who produce eggs and can typically get pregnant. The only reason for any linguistic change is your side decided to appropriate sexual terms as terms for gender, then gaslight as the majority of us continue to use it the way we've always meant.

But is there a problem with people changing genders? Or loving the same gender?

I stated earlier that I think transition surgery is a stupid idea, but people should be allowed to do it. It's kind of like how I also think smoking is a horrible idea, but I'm opposed to outlawing or taxing cigarettes.

[The Proud Transphobe]

Up until recently, basically yes. They would have been thinking "female", which refers to individuals who produce eggs and can typically get pregnant. The only reason for any linguistic change is your side decided to appropriate sexual terms as terms for gender, then gaslight as the majority of us continue to use it the way we've always meant.

when people referred to a person as a woman, they were referring to their gender, not whether they could fuck them and produce a child. and even then, it doesn’t matter what people fifty years ago did.

Fifty years ago "gender" and "sex" were considered to mean basically the same thing.

A man is an adult human male. A woman is an adult human female. Of course they're not going to be used to refer to non-humans. Which is ironic, because one of the other posters was claiming I held the position that trans people are "less than human". I'm literally using a word that I'm fully aware only applies to humans.


Gender identity is a social construct. By definition it is an opinion, and subject to the perspective of the speaker. I am also not harming anyone.

So how do you form that opinion about what term to use for each person?

I've never referred to a person's gender identity before, so I don't know how I would. Maybe your side should put together a cogent language structure so if people like me ever want to refer to someone's gender unambiguously we'll know how.

[Jewish Underground State]

Apparently accepting that people are more than their genitals is gaslighting now.

lol I said this before, but just because I call someone a "he" doesn't mean I think they have no characteristics other than their biological sex. I'm seriously amazed at how many opinions you have created in your head for me to have that I literally don't.

But is there a problem with people changing genders? Or loving the same gender?

I stated earlier that I think transition surgery is a stupid idea, but people should be allowed to do it. It's kind of like how I also think smoking is a horrible idea, but I'm opposed to outlawing or taxing cigarettes.

Welcome To Human Judgement

[Rusticus I Damianus]

Pride goes before destruction.

[Vassenor]

when people referred to a person as a woman, they were referring to their gender, not whether they could fuck them and produce a child. and even then, it doesn’t matter what people fifty years ago did.

Fifty years ago "gender" and "sex" were considered to mean basically the same thing.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but definitions change over time.

So how do you form that opinion about what term to use for each person?

I've never referred to a person's gender identity before, so I don't know how I would. Maybe your side should put together a cogent language structure so if people like me ever want to refer to someone's gender unambiguously we'll know how.

I mean you’ve said you judge people for using the wrong terms. How do you tell if they’re using the wrong terms?

[The Proud Transphobe]

Fifty years ago "gender" and "sex" were considered to mean basically the same thing.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but definitions change over time.

Yes. Organically. There is nothing organic about taking a term people are still using to mean "adult human female" and saying "now this can apply to non-females" when we don't want to.

I've never referred to a person's gender identity before, so I don't know how I would. Maybe your side should put together a cogent language structure so if people like me ever want to refer to someone's gender unambiguously we'll know how.

I mean you’ve said you judge people for using the wrong terms. How do you tell if they’re using the wrong terms?

I've already told you the methods and how much effort I will put into determining if someone uses the wrong terms. Do you want me to tell you again?

[Necroghastia]

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but definitions change over time.

Yes. Organically. There is nothing organic about taking a term people are still using to mean "adult human female" and saying "now this can apply to non-females" when we don't want to.

idk that sounds plenty organic to me

[The Proud Transphobe]

Yes. Organically. There is nothing organic about taking a term people are still using to mean "adult human female" and saying "now this can apply to non-females" when we don't want to.

idk that sounds plenty organic to me

Politically enforced change is not organic. There are plenty of changes that happened without any pushback because it wasn't a big deal - it just happened. What is happening now with "woman", "man", "male", "female", is 100% politically driven. And we can tell. That is why so many people in the English-speaking world refuse to accept such a change. This isn't like "cookie" and "biscuit" in the US and UK, where we can see independent linguistic changes happen basically without anyone realizing until long after the fact, after it is already the norm. This is a drastic, agenda-driven change by a small group of pseudo-intellectuals. Everyone in the English-speaking world should reject it and refuse to comply.

[Vassenor]

Yes. Organically. There is nothing organic about taking a term people are still using to mean "adult human female" and saying "now this can apply to non-females" when we don't want to.

idk that sounds plenty organic to me

It’s only organic change if they approve of it. That’s prescriptivism in action.

[Necroghastia]

idk that sounds plenty organic to me

Politically enforced change is not organic. There are plenty of changes that happened without any pushback because it wasn't a big deal - it just happened. What is happening now with "woman", "man", "male", "female", is 100% politically driven. And we can tell. That is why so many people in the English-speaking world refuse to accept such a change. This isn't like "cookie" and "biscuit" in the US and UK, where we can see independent linguistic changes happen basically without anyone realizing until long after the fact, after it is already the norm. This is a drastic, agenda-driven change by a small group of pseudo-intellectuals. Everyone in the English-speaking world should reject it and refuse to comply.

source?

[Senkaku]

idk that sounds plenty organic to me

Politically enforced change is not organic. There are plenty of changes that happened without any pushback because it wasn't a big deal - it just happened. What is happening now with "woman", "man", "male", "female", is 100% politically driven. And we can tell. That is why so many people in the English-speaking world refuse to accept such a change. This isn't like "cookie" and "biscuit" in the US and UK, where we can see independent linguistic changes happen basically without anyone realizing until long after the fact, after it is already the norm. This is a drastic, agenda-driven change by a small group of pseudo-intellectuals. Everyone in the English-speaking world should reject it and refuse to comply.

I'll do the "what is a woman" prompt if you can define what "organic" means lol

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

when people referred to a person as a woman, they were referring to their gender, not whether they could fuck them and produce a child. and even then, it doesn’t matter what people fifty years ago did.

Fifty years ago "gender" and "sex" were considered to mean basically the same thing.

it doesn’t matter what people fifty years ago did.

[Senkaku]

when people referred to a person as a woman, they were referring to their gender, not whether they could fuck them and produce a child. and even then, it doesn’t matter what people fifty years ago did.

Fifty years ago "gender" and "sex" were considered to mean basically the same thing.

Was this change "organic"? Better yet, was it fair trade?

[The Black Forrest]

Fifty years ago "gender" and "sex" were considered to mean basically the same thing.

Was this change "organic"? Better yet, was it fair trade?

It’s the use of the words. You can still find “what is the sex of the baby?”….still I would guess it’s older people as in grandparents.

I think it’s pretty much gender now. So yes and organic change. Even then the world of the LGTBQ+ will eventually see additions and changes to language.

Funny thing about languages. They are fluid and change…..

[Neutraligon]

Was this change "organic"? Better yet, was it fair trade?

It’s the use of the words. You can still find “what is the sex of the baby?”….still I would guess it’s older people as in grandparents.

I think it’s pretty much gender now. So yes and organic change. Even then the world of the LGTBQ+ will eventually see additions and changes to language.

Funny thing about languages. They are fluid and change…..

Frindle...suck a lovely book.

[Jewish Underground State]

Was this change "organic"? Better yet, was it fair trade?

It’s the use of the words. You can still find “what is the sex of the baby?”….still I would guess it’s older people as in grandparents.

I think it’s pretty much gender now. So yes and organic change. Even then the world of the LGTBQ+ will eventually see additions and changes to language.

Funny thing about languages. They are fluid and change…..

I mean I think you mean terms as we don't call minorities like LGBTQ only "gay" anymore. We also don't throw those terms around.

[Red Lake Circle]

It’s the use of the words. You can still find “what is the sex of the baby?”….still I would guess it’s older people as in grandparents.

I think it’s pretty much gender now. So yes and organic change. Even then the world of the LGTBQ+ will eventually see additions and changes to language.

Funny thing about languages. They are fluid and change…..

I mean I think you mean terms as we don't call minorities like LGBTQ only "gay" anymore. We also don't throw those terms around.

I'm thinking more along the lines of how "queer" went from being a slur in and of itself to something a person can actually identify as. While I'm remiss that the term has lost some of its liberatory political meaning, I'm still happy that it's been disarmed as something a person can effectively levy against you lol

[Islamic Essarn]

Counterpoint; the study you picked literally talks about how the solution to these issues lied in further acceptance of trans people. Also, with the evidence from the adolescent studies (which not only compared trans youth to the general population, but to youth in other categories of treatment) suggests that there is a correlation between the acceptance of trans people and lessened suicide risk. Unless you want to tell me that gay and bisexual people, who also have a higher suicide risk than the general population, are way more privileged than straights, your point is moot.

Compared to trans people, suicidality among gay and bisexual people is much closer to that of the general population, and on average they are both better educated and have higher incomes. They're not an outlier in the same way trans people are.

Different groups in the LGBTQ community get treated differently

[Fidimouni]

Counterpoint; the study you picked literally talks about how the solution to these issues lied in further acceptance of trans people. Also, with the evidence from the adolescent studies (which not only compared trans youth to the general population, but to youth in other categories of treatment) suggests that there is a correlation between the acceptance of trans people and lessened suicide risk. Unless you want to tell me that gay and bisexual people, who also have a higher suicide risk than the general population, are way more privileged than straights, your point is moot.

Compared to trans people, suicidality among gay and bisexual people is much closer to that of the general population, and on average they are both better educated and have higher incomes. They're not an outlier in the same way trans people are.

Different groups get treated differently. This isn't rocket science to understand.

Also, maybe the fact that, at least in the states, top politicians and influencers in society are running the equivalent of a red scare campaign on trans people, might contribute to that? Trans teachers accused of indoctrination, transgender kids investigated by the government for child abuse, transgender athletes barres from sports, transgender trans people the societal butt of jokes..you know, all those things? I will never deny the presence of homophobia in society, nor biphobia, but last time I checked, there isn't internet "memes" mocking the suicide rate of those groups.

[The Black Forrest]

It’s the use of the words. You can still find “what is the sex of the baby?”….still I would guess it’s older people as in grandparents.

I think it’s pretty much gender now. So yes and organic change. Even then the world of the LGTBQ+ will eventually see additions and changes to language.

Funny thing about languages. They are fluid and change…..

Frindle...suck a lovely book.

Wow. There is a reference from the past. You read it or reading it to young ones?

[Neutraligon]

Frindle...suck a lovely book.

Wow. There is a reference from the past. You read it or reading it to young ones?

Read it. Was a school reading book.

[Islamic Essarn]

Have people had a chance to read page 21 of this document : https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf it is truly chilling.

[Diarcesia]

Have people had a chance to read page 21 of this document : https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf it is truly chilling.

i.e. homosexual promiscuity bad, heterosexual promiscuity good

[The Black Forrest]

Have people had a chance to read page 21 of this document : https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf it is truly chilling.

Slow march towards Gilead.

I guess if there are 3rd world nations; we can have 3rd world states.

[Hukhalia]

Have people had a chance to read page 21 of this document : https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf it is truly chilling.

> Any school, public or private, or any health care provider withholding from a parent or legal guardian information that is relevant to the physical or mental health of the minor, to include information related to a minor's perception that his or her gender or sex Is inconsistent with his or her biological sex.

They are trying to destroy trans people.