A Matter of Pride

[Kannap]

tell me you've never heard of twitter without telling me you've never heard of twitter

lol, you’ve never received real harassment if you think homophobes and transphobes being called out on twitter is similar.

There's entire states (and places in my own state) that I'll never be able to visit for fear of being harassed, beaten, or killed for holding hands or being seen in public with my partner, sure.

But have you considered how much being called an asshole on Twitter hurts a homophobe's feelings?

[Hukhalia]

I hate confrontation and would likely never put myself in a confrontational situation in-person.

should probably change that. i've physically assaulted three homophobes and counting, aiming to maxx that out

(this post stresses that it does not condone illegal assault, go away NS jannies)

[The Proud Transphobe]

My guy, can i have some clarification?

By 50/50 do you mean half, as in 25/50 which is 50/100

of by 50/50 do you meen full, as in 100%, as in 50/50 which is 100/100

Unless you're stating 50 divided by 50, which means 1/50, which means one fiftith, in which case it would be 2/100.

Or if you're stating the 50 states of the United States whereupon i will state that the states arent the only territories in the USA. But that would be excluding the Federal District of Columbia and the six territories of the United States, which would mean it would be 57/57, 28.5/57 (which i don't know how we'd get law wise) or te 1.14/57 (which, again, i don't know how it would work law wise.)

Either way, i don't live in america so i've no idea what this law is so...I'll just chill over here.

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

[Adamede]

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

You've clearly thought this through. Will say this is a perfect example of as to why members of the LGBT community should be armed or otheriwse capable of defending themselves.

[The Proud Transphobe]

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

You've clearly thought this through. Will say this is a perfect example of as to why members of the LGBT community should be armed or otheriwse capable of defending themselves.

Indeed. Everyone should.

[Adamede]

You've clearly thought this through. Will say this is a perfect example of as to why members of the LGBT community should be armed or otheriwse capable of defending themselves.

Indeed. Everyone should.

Eh, based off your name and comment probably not you.

[Reploid Productions]

should probably change that. i've physically assaulted three homophobes and counting, aiming to maxx that out

(this post stresses that it does not condone illegal assault, go away NS jannies)

A disclaimer "not condoning illegal assault" with a pejorative term aimed at site staff doesn't magically make "I'VE COMMITTED ASSAULT AND INTEND TO DO MORE!" magically acceptable. *** Hukhalia, 7-day ban for advocating illegal activity/trolling. ***

[Sordhau]

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

Get the fuck away from me.

[Khoronzon]

should probably change that. i've physically assaulted three homophobes and counting, aiming to maxx that out

(this post stresses that it does not condone illegal assault, go away NS jannies)

A disclaimer "not condoning illegal assault" with a pejorative term aimed at site staff doesn't magically make "I'VE COMMITTED ASSAULT AND INTEND TO DO MORE!" magically acceptable. *** Hukhalia, 7-day ban for advocating illegal activity/trolling. ***

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

[Port Caverton]

A disclaimer "not condoning illegal assault" with a pejorative term aimed at site staff doesn't magically make "I'VE COMMITTED ASSAULT AND INTEND TO DO MORE!" magically acceptable. *** Hukhalia, 7-day ban for advocating illegal activity/trolling. ***

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

i don't think jannies care about anything but making the site Max Barry's cashcow

[The Proud Transphobe]

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

This is a great example of how some people on the left essentially hold the position that minorities should be exempt from the rules: "Looting and rioting should be illegal... unless you are BLM. Physically assaulting people should be illegal... unless you call your intended victim a Nazi/Racist/Homophobe/Transphobe first." It is a double-standard that is illiberal and anti-equality. I mean, we still have people saying to remember Jacob Blake (who survived, by the way) despite the fact that he is a violent criminal and domestic abuser who was both armed and engaging in child abduction when he was shot at and wounded by police.

If the left is really for equality, they need to be for equal treatment under the law in ALL cases. We can't keep having people just take the tired position that "minority = oppressed victim" every single time there is a tragedy where the injured party has a trait that is on the left's indulgence list. I say this in addition to everything else the OP said, and bring this to the table: it would be best for the LGB movement not to hurt itself by blindly defending the bad behavior of any member of its community. That is toxic. Good organizations (be they businesses, religions, or political movements) have internal oversight and self-governance, and don't go out of their way to defend their members for unethical actions.

[Necroghastia]

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

This is a great example of how some people on the left essentially hold the position that minorities should be exempt from the rules. Looting an rioting should be illegal... unless you are BLM. Physically assaulting people should be illegal... unless you call your intended victim a Nazi/Racist/Homophobe/Transphobe first. It is a double-standard that is illiberal and anti-equality. I mean, we still have people saying to remember Jacob Blake (who survived, by the way) despite the fact that he is a violent criminal and domestic abuser who was both armed and engaging in child abduction when he was shot at and wounded by police.

If the left is really for equality, they need to be for equal treatment under the law in ALL cases. We can't keep having people just take the tired position that "minority = oppressed victim" every single time there is a tragedy where the injured party has a trait that is on the left's indulgence list. I say this in addition to everything else the OP said, and bring this to the table: it would be best for the LGB movement not to hurt itself by blindly defending the bad behavior of any member of its community. That is toxic. Good organizations (be they businesses, religions, or political movements) have internal oversight and self-governance, and don't go out of their way to defend their members for unethical actions.

what the fuck is the lgb movement

[Khoronzon]

i think something icky just tried to address me guys. i can smell it from here. very unpleasant!

[Everyday is Taco Tuesday]

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

I wouldn't say hurt or kill them but ask them to leave THEN defend yourself if need be. Technically it's attempted sexual assault on their part as it's no different than if a man tried to sleep with a lesbian by pretending to be a butch lesbian. It's deceitful and nobody will end up happy. There is no good ending about not being upfront in any form of relationship. About anything but especially sexually.

To add to this, apps like Tinder do not allow you to screen out trans people and will ban you for stating preferences like that. The trans community is very small but very militant and as an asexual I've witnessed how hateful they are. One bad experience doesn't make the bunch but being told I was confused by them was laughable for reasons you would think

[The Black Forrest]

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

This is a great example of how some people on the left essentially hold the position that minorities should be exempt from the rules: "Looting and rioting should be illegal... unless you are BLM.

Nobody has said that.

Physically assaulting people should be illegal... unless you call your intended victim a Nazi/Racist/Homophobe/Transphobe first."

Nobody has said that.

It is a double-standard that is illiberal and anti-equality. I mean, we still have people saying to remember Jacob Blake (who survived, by the way) despite the fact that he is a violent criminal and domestic abuser who was both armed and engaging in child abduction when he was shot at and wounded by police.

Relevance?

If the left is really for equality, they need to be for equal treatment under the law in ALL cases. We can't keep having people just take the tired position that "minority = oppressed victim" every single time there is a tragedy where the injured party has a trait that is on the left's indulgence list.

Hmmm? That almost sounds like the logic of “playing the race card”

I say this in addition to everything else the OP said, and bring this to the table: it would be best for the LGB movement not to hurt itself by blindly defending the bad behavior of any member of its community. That is toxic. Good organizations (be they businesses, religions, or political movements) have internal oversight and self-governance, and don't go out of their way to defend their members for unethical actions.

If you want to be correct, use LGBTQ+

Defend for what bad behavior? People do that all the time. Have a non-white shooter and people want justice!!!! Have a white shooter and people are where did the system fail?

Still….just so I am following you, do you have an example?

[The Black Forrest]

A disclaimer "not condoning illegal assault" with a pejorative term aimed at site staff doesn't magically make "I'VE COMMITTED ASSAULT AND INTEND TO DO MORE!" magically acceptable. *** Hukhalia, 7-day ban for advocating illegal activity/trolling. ***

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

You might want to reread what she wrote.

[The Black Forrest]

>pride flag pfp
>bans queer people for defending themselves

fake ally moment! very disappointed in the mod team rn....

i don't think jannies care about anything but making the site Max Barry's cashcow

What is “jannies”

[Necroghastia]

i don't think jannies care about anything but making the site Max Barry's cashcow

What is “jannies”

short for "janitors," slang term (usually derogatory) for moderators

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

Then he should just kick that person out if he does not go that way. I see nothing that can justify murder. There are lots of volatile emotional situations where there are no valid defenses for murder and this should be no different.

[Kannap]

What is “jannies”

short for "janitors," slang term (usually derogatory) for moderators

And here I thought it was slang for janissaries this whole time.

[The Reformed American Republic]

i don't think jannies care about anything but making the site Max Barry's cashcow

What is “jannies”

It's derived from the name of a staff team on 4chan called "janitors" which are basically junior moderators who have limited moderation powers. There has been conflict between the staff and users, which resulted in the coining of the term. It has since expanded to apply to anyone with any amount of moderation powers, and it is usually derogatory.

[Luna Amore]

i think something icky just tried to address me guys. i can smell it from here. very unpleasant!

Considering your history with flaming and baiting*** 7 day ban for flaming ***

[The Black Forrest]

short for "janitors," slang term (usually derogatory) for moderators

And here I thought it was slang for janissaries this whole time.

Heh. I actually thought of that for a second. Then thought it was a misspelling of Jenny. Then I was disappointed to learn it was an imbecilic term.

Thanks Necro!

[The Proud Transphobe]

In the case of trans people, the point is that it is obviously a crime of passion. If a guy goes to a bar to try and hook up with a girl (and I should make it clear I am 100% opposed to drinking alcohol and hook-up culture) and he takes someone he thinks is a girl - but isn't really - back to his place, it is understandable that he would be extremely angry to have been deceived. Oh, and now this strange dude who tricked him is in his house, or he is in a stranger's house and fears he is about to be raped. Combine all that, and yeah: this highly emotional, volatile situation could have been avoided if the trans victim simply told the perpetrator ahead of time "I'm actually not a woman". But nooooo... instead, he was so desperate for a sexual encounter that he tried to deceive someone who would otherwise not consent into spending the night with him. In that context, I can understand why the legal system would give some mercy to the perpetrator.

And in what context has it been used to lighten sentences for killing gays or lesbians? Genuinely curious on this one, mainly because gay people are actually honest about what they are and what they want, so there are basically no situations where someone would say "they tricked me and I didn't know". I'm seriously struggling to see a situation where if I was a judge "but he was hitting on me" would fly: I'm 100% straight, but I'm flattered when gay men try to flirt with me. So again, if there are any cases where that happened and the judge was like "yeah, the victim goaded him into it" show me, because I have a serious problem with that, if it is happening.

Then he should just kick that person out if he does not go that way. I see nothing that can justify murder. There are lots of volatile emotional situations where there are no valid defenses for murder and this should be no different.

Oh I completely agree. The complaint from the trans lobby is the level it is tried at. They want these situations tried as premeditated murder or a hate crime, but a lot of judges don't see it that way. It's obviously still murder and absolutely not justified, but there is a big difference between someone going out with the intent to kill hours before and someone lashing out in the moment. Again, obviously still murder, and thus still deserving of punishment.

[Necroghastia]

Then he should just kick that person out if he does not go that way. I see nothing that can justify murder. There are lots of volatile emotional situations where there are no valid defenses for murder and this should be no different.

Oh I completely agree. The complaint from the trans lobby is the level it is tried at. They want these situations tried as premeditated murder or a hate crime, but a lot of judges don't see it that way. It's obviously still murder and absolutely not justified, but there is a big difference between someone going out with the intent to kill hours before and someone lashing out in the moment. Again, obviously still murder, and thus still deserving of punishment.

...How is it not a hate crime?