A Matter of Pride

[Jewish Underground State]

Very good introduction on both sides of the coin.

While it's important to defend LGBTQ rights don't turn into the mob you swore to destroy by protecting them.

What?

Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob. If you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you

[Kannap]

What?

Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob. If you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

[Senkaku]

What?

Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob. If you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you

What experience do you have actually being harassed by mobs? Like I would think this kind of constant hyperbole would eventually trigger some kind of self-consciousness, no?

[Indomitable Friendship]

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.

I never even knew about this until now. Pretty fuckin' ridiculous, if you're going to have a judicial system, at least try to give the illusion that everyone is equal (obviously not true). And this is another good example why I support its abolishment.

[Jewish Underground State]

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.

I never even knew about this until now. Pretty fuckin' ridiculous, if you're going to have a judicial system, at least try to give the illusion that everyone is equal (obviously not true). And this is another good example why I support its abolishment.

Not really by officers. Online or in person people will harass people over this

[Indomitable Friendship]

-In addition to the culture wars, I think non-heterosexuality is sometimes ham fistedly inserted in awkward ways. For example, Superman getting turned bisexual -- I'm a Superman fan and happily bisexual, but it just doesn't fit his character. I think someone with luscious hair and dripping in sex appeal like Nightwing should be canon bisexual, but not Superman. It makes perfect sense for Wonder Woman, too, but in Clark's case, it's just unfitting. There's nothing wrong with the Kryptonian being a straight ally.

It's not Clark; it's his son (by Lois) Jon.

Thank you for correcting me, my mistake. I've just recently gotten back into Western comics after a long dive into manga and I'm still getting caught up. I will edit the thread to fix this.

[Mamono land]

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.

And together we can work to make it 50/50

[Sordhau]

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.

And together we can work to make it 50/50

Bait somewhere else.

[Necroghastia]

What?

Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob. If you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you

homie that's just basic leftist infighting

[Aerlanica]

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.

And together we can work to make it 50/50

My guy, can i have some clarification?

By 50/50 do you mean half, as in 25/50 which is 50/100

of by 50/50 do you meen full, as in 100%, as in 50/50 which is 100/100

Unless you're stating 50 divided by 50, which means 1/50, which means one fiftith, in which case it would be 2/100.

Or if you're stating the 50 states of the United States whereupon i will state that the states arent the only territories in the USA. But that would be excluding the Federal District of Columbia and the six territories of the United States, which would mean it would be 57/57, 28.5/57 (which i don't know how we'd get law wise) or te 1.14/57 (which, again, i don't know how it would work law wise.)

Either way, i don't live in america so i've no idea what this law is so...I'll just chill over here.

[Sordhau]

And together we can work to make it 50/50

My guy, can i have some clarification?

By 50/50 do you mean half, as in 25/50 which is 50/100

of by 50/50 do you meen full, as in 100%, as in 50/50 which is 100/100

Unless you're stating 50 divided by 50, which means 1/50, which means one fiftith, in which case it would be 2/100.

Or if you're stating the 50 states of the United States whereupon i will state that the states arent the only territories in the USA. But that would be excluding the Federal District of Columbia and the six territories of the United States, which would mean it would be 57/57, 28.5/57 (which i don't know how we'd get law wise) or te 1.14/57 (which, again, i don't know how it would work law wise.)

Either way, i don't live in america so i've no idea what this law is so...I'll just chill over here.

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

[Indomitable Friendship]

Now, for the other side of the coin:

-Sometimes I think the saturation of LGBT+ might be overboard, especially in relation to foreign and cultural politics. Just like with BLM, I've talked to a variety of foreigners, both straight and not that see such things as a kind of cultural battering ram that America and the wider West employ to obnoxious effect. While I absolutely support the progress of non-heterosexual acceptance, I think there should be alternatives to the heavy doses of rainbow flag carpet bombing.

This paragraph has borderline "Let´s See If We Can Suppress LGBT As A Matter Of Racial Pride" vibes to me.
Thatt was tried 2008-2015. It failed.

"Who were shipped as slaves from Africa? The gays or the blacks?"
- Uhm, sir, some of them were probably both...

-Speaking of which, I'm a bit turned off by the monopolization of non-heterosexuality by the LGBT+ movement. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, it should, I'm just a little disappointed that it's become the de facto lens through which non-heterosexuality is primarily all lumped into, filtered through and represented by.

I´m rather disappointed that the LGBT movement is more and more an establishment, which tries to conform all those it purports to speak for in ways of self-expression that aren´t too "extreme" for those poor sensitive str8 folks. Within the movement, anything "extreme" - like kinks and non-gyneconormative self-expression - is being marginalised. Same with religious LGBT, by the way. Furries and Faith have more in common than either of them would like to admit, if I may put it that way.

-Finally and most seriously, non-heterosexual health is nothing to be proud of. STD's are on the rise and have always been a deadly issue. Obviously, non-heterosexuals are at risk for mental health issues that leads to riskier behavior, but I think we also need to start addressing the other elephant in the room: promiscuity.

So... the systemic discrimination of LGBT is allowed to sow its effects on individuals, representation in the media must be kept to a minimum, and pride should be made to go low-key. But when all that affects mental health, it is somehow INDIVIDUAL reponsability to overcome that? And when/if that leads to non-heteronormative choices, it somehow is inferred that that justifies less representation in the media or less pride expression?

Dear Sir, methinks thou hast internalised a few too many talking points that may or may not have been levelled at thee personally.

Promiscuity is not a problem, as long as all parties involved take care of their sexual health (condoms, PreP, disclosing status, etc). Visibility, representation are needed to avoid traumatising years in the closet (three years of closet can suffice to induce PTSD). Community is needed to heal those who are still affected, and help them accept themselves. And if you don´t like the lens created by all that, please add your own lens, don´t take away theirs.

I'm not sure what you mean about the racial issue, perhaps you could clarify for my benefit.

I was not aware of marginalization in LGBT, at least the specifics of it. Feel free to add more; I'm curious about that.

I'm not saying anyone should be suppressed or coerced into certain behavior and my perception isn't the result of internalized stereotyping. After having spent some time online talking with non-hets and the few I know IRL, there does seem to be a bit of a feeling of higher desire for sex. STD's also don't happen by themselves. Like I said, non-hets are prey to social and internal pressure that may cause looser behavior in regards to sex (and drug usage), but is it all that it is? While all of us are at the mercy of the world, we do also have to take responsibility for ourselves and I don't think shifting blame completely and not examining ourselves critically is going to help the situation.

[Indomitable Friendship]

I am proud of who I am and I am proud of non-hets. This is my meager tribute. Maybe I am celebrating, in my own way.

Very good introduction on both sides of the coin.

While it's important to defend LGBTQ rights don't turn into the mob you swore to destroy by protecting them.

Thanks.

[Aerlanica]

My guy, can i have some clarification?

By 50/50 do you mean half, as in 25/50 which is 50/100

of by 50/50 do you meen full, as in 100%, as in 50/50 which is 100/100

Unless you're stating 50 divided by 50, which means 1/50, which means one fiftith, in which case it would be 2/100.

Or if you're stating the 50 states of the United States whereupon i will state that the states arent the only territories in the USA. But that would be excluding the Federal District of Columbia and the six territories of the United States, which would mean it would be 57/57, 28.5/57 (which i don't know how we'd get law wise) or te 1.14/57 (which, again, i don't know how it would work law wise.)

Either way, i don't live in america so i've no idea what this law is so...I'll just chill over here.

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

Wow...ok, make a whore of lady justice and lady liberty why don't you.

Like....you serious? You can gun down a person and just say "Oh well he was gay and i was afraid" and they say "yeah checks out try to aim for the shins next time"???

Am i getting this right?

[Indomitable Friendship]

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.

And together we can work to make it 50/50

If you're homophobic, feel free to make your case. I'm all ears.

[New Zoigai]

Now, for the other side of the coin:

-Sometimes I think the saturation of LGBT+ might be overboard, especially in relation to foreign and cultural politics. Just like with BLM, I've talked to a variety of foreigners, both straight and not that see such things as a kind of cultural battering ram that America and the wider West employ to obnoxious effect. While I absolutely support the progress of non-heterosexual acceptance, I think there should be alternatives to the heavy doses of rainbow flag carpet bombing.

This paragraph has borderline "Let´s See If We Can Suppress LGBT As A Matter Of Racial Pride" vibes to me.
Thatt was tried 2008-2015. It failed.

"Who were shipped as slaves from Africa? The gays or the blacks?"
- Uhm, sir, some of them were probably both...

So that means it is safe to assume Gays wernt the ones Shipped to the Americas, at the very least not in a noticeable quantity.


But since Gay pride and Racial injustices do not need to be thrown into the same melting pot. I will concede my point there.

Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob. If you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you

homie that's just basic leftist infighting

That statement reminds me of the time I ended up getting into an arguement the other day because a group of LGBTQ+ people made the propisition that everyone since calls December "Christmas Month" or November "Thanksgiving month", June should have its name changed to "Pride month". Along with a law mandating that everyone call June "Pride month" They slapped me with the Homophobic card when I dissagreed with them.

The next day when I logged on 30 different users had chosen their side to argue on. The majority of these users clearly supporting the left. Of those 30 users. Ten of them Supported me when I said "June is a better name"

[Sordhau]

It's not a law, it's a legal defense to give homophobic/transphobic murderers a slap on the wrist.

Wow...ok, make a whore of lady justice and lady liberty why don't you.

Like....you serious? You can gun down a person and just say "Oh well he was gay and i was afraid" and they say "yeah checks out try to aim for the shins next time"???

Am i getting this right?

Pretty much.

[Heloin]

I never even knew about this until now. Pretty fuckin' ridiculous, if you're going to have a judicial system, at least try to give the illusion that everyone is equal (obviously not true). And this is another good example why I support its abolishment.

Not really by officers. Online or in person people will harass people over this

Someone on the internet called you names. I’ll play the world’s smallest violen for your troubles.

[Araneberg]

Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Pride as it is in the seven deadly sins is defined as "dangerously corrupt selfishness, the putting of one's own desires, urges, wants, and whims before the welfare of other people" (this is an excerpt from the wikipedia article of the seven deadly sins). Pride when talking about BLM, LGBT, etc means being proud of yourself for who you are. I will admit it is strange to have whole months for races and communities as it can seem toxic. Other then this, "pride" as it's very commonly used nowadays is not exactly how its defined as one of the seven deadly sins.

(This isn't supposed to come off as unfriendly in any sort of way, just my own input)

[Araneberg]

Okay pretty random but their were two major things i wanted to comment on. Trying to quote one part of a large post is hard on mobile but earlier somebody said "This paragraph has borderline 'Let´s See If We Can Suppress LGBT As A Matter Of Racial Pride' vibes to me. That was tried 2008-2015. It failed." I am gonna agree that as a gay person, comparing and contesting between communities over who had the worst experiences isn't doing anything but perpetuating the cycle of all this history and discrimination of all minorities even worse. The other thing about the "mobs of gay people". Imagine if I said all white people are racist redneck slave-owners. Lumping in entire communities with the worst of their kind is commonly used to put down entire groups. (Not saying thats what that individual was attempting to do but it should be known why things like this only make stereotyping more difficult.

[Aerlanica]

Wow...ok, make a whore of lady justice and lady liberty why don't you.

Like....you serious? You can gun down a person and just say "Oh well he was gay and i was afraid" and they say "yeah checks out try to aim for the shins next time"???

Am i getting this right?

Pretty much.

Well what the hell?

We need equality! And the only way to do this is to allow gay people to shoot straight men and women in the streets and get acquitted because they were afraid of their heterosexuality!

Equal Rights! Equal Fights!

[Free Algerstonia]

Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob. If you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

tell me you've never heard of twitter without telling me you've never heard of twitter

[Heloin]

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

tell me you've never heard of twitter without telling me you've never heard of twitter

lol, you’ve never received real harassment if you think homophobes and transphobes being called out on twitter is similar.

[German Territories]

tell me you've never heard of twitter without telling me you've never heard of twitter

lol, you’ve never received real harassment if you think homophobes and transphobes being called out on twitter is similar.

No you don't understand, me not being able to say the f word without being called an asshole is literally 1984.

[Kannap]

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

tell me you've never heard of twitter without telling me you've never heard of twitter

Oh, rest assured I'm chronically online when it comes to Twitter. It's best to remember that Twitter is not reality and any online space that allows/relies on anonymity is not a good representation of reality. Personally, I don't have a problem yelling at racists and homophobes/transphobes on Twitter but I hate confrontation and would likely never put myself in a confrontational situation in-person.

But my reply was primarily suggesting that "Many people who support LGBTQ just turn into a mob" and "if you disagree with them on even the slightest thing they harass you," are statements I don't believe to be true in reality.