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Postby Hukhalia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am

Diarcesia wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:I feel like anyone who draws this conclusion from a pride parade has never really participated in one and/or lacks many resolutely queer friends

My impression is that those who take part in pride parades are a subset of the larger LGBT community. It's like a bunch of heterosexual people into BDSM shows up in the streets and say they partake in BDSM and like it, as a rough comparison. And we know only a subset of heterosexuals (and LGBT) are into BDSM.

bdsm is a kink, being gay isn't
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am

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Diarcesia wrote:That's their prerogative and I have nothing against them holding pride parades if they're not hurting anyone else. It's just that personally there's more to being you and what you can like about yourself than just the color of your skin, nationality, sexual orientation, etc.

Do you genuinely think people are unaware of that.

It seems like you assume I don't want to see pride parades at all.

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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:54 am

Hukhalia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:My impression is that those who take part in pride parades are a subset of the larger LGBT community. It's like a bunch of heterosexual people into BDSM shows up in the streets and say they partake in BDSM and like it, as a rough comparison. And we know only a subset of heterosexuals (and LGBT) are into BDSM.

bdsm is a kink, being gay isn't

I mean you can be gay and choose not to attend a pride parade. It doesn't make you "not gay".

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Postby Hukhalia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:56 am

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Hukhalia wrote:bdsm is a kink, being gay isn't

I mean you can be gay and choose not to attend a pride parade. It doesn't make you "not gay".

Still doesn't change the fact that BDSM as positioned in relation to LGBT is functionally a false equivalence
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:58 am

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Necroghastia wrote:Do you genuinely think people are unaware of that.

It seems like you assume I don't want to see pride parades at all.

It’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw when someone starts parroting far-right talking points about how it’s only a certain element who goes to Pride parades, how they have no identity but their sexuality, and compares LGBT people to BDSM enthusiasts
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:58 am

Hukhalia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:I mean you can be gay and choose not to attend a pride parade. It doesn't make you "not gay".

Still doesn't change the fact that BDSM as positioned in relation to LGBT is functionally a false equivalence

I concede it's a bad analogy and I'm really looking for a better substitute.

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:00 am

Diarcesia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Do you genuinely think people are unaware of that.

It seems like you assume I don't want to see pride parades at all.

Funny talk about assumptions, coming from the one assuming that if people go to Comic-Con and similar events they're all basement dwelling weebs and nothing else.
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:03 am

Senkaku wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:It seems like you assume I don't want to see pride parades at all.

It’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw when someone starts parroting far-right talking points about how it’s only a certain element who goes to Pride parades, how they have no identity but their sexuality, and compares LGBT people to BDSM enthusiasts

The only thing that I like some clarity is, "is having to go to Pride parades a requirement to be LGBT and accepted as such?"

That's like saying heterosexuals have to adhere to the subtler stereotypes of being heterosexual to be considered one.

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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:04 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:It seems like you assume I don't want to see pride parades at all.

Funny talk about assumptions, coming from the one assuming that if people go to Comic-Con and similar events they're all basement dwelling weebs and nothing else.

And where did I say that?

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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am

Diarcesia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:It’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw when someone starts parroting far-right talking points about how it’s only a certain element who goes to Pride parades, how they have no identity but their sexuality, and compares LGBT people to BDSM enthusiasts

The only thing that I like some clarity is, "is having to go to Pride parades a requirement to be LGBT and accepted as such?"

No one has ever said this. I have no idea where you heard it or why you’re asking it.

That's like saying heterosexuals have to adhere to the subtler stereotypes of being heterosexual to be considered one.

I mean, okay? Would you like to join us in reality, or keep making up positions to misrepresent and slander LGBT people and Pride celebrations?
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:07 am

Senkaku wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:The only thing that I like some clarity is, "is having to go to Pride parades a requirement to be LGBT and accepted as such?"

No one has ever said this. I have no idea where you heard it or why you’re asking it.

That's like saying heterosexuals have to adhere to the subtler stereotypes of being heterosexual to be considered one.

I mean, okay? Would you like to join us in reality, or keep making up positions to misrepresent and slander LGBT people and Pride celebrations?

If I'm not already in reality, how do I join it?

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:12 am

Diarcesia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Funny talk about assumptions, coming from the one assuming that if people go to Comic-Con and similar events they're all basement dwelling weebs and nothing else.

And where did I say that?

It is in essence the same thing as saying people that go to pride parades only have their sexuality for a personality. Understand why that's ridiculous now?
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:12 am

Senkaku wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:The only thing that I like some clarity is, "is having to go to Pride parades a requirement to be LGBT and accepted as such?"

No one has ever said this. I have no idea where you heard it or why you’re asking it.

As Nechroghastia mentioned a few posts ago:
...assuming that if people go to Comic-Con and similar events they're all basement dwelling weebs and nothing else.

I don't hold that assumption, though it's not difficult to find that sentiment elsewhere. Therefore, to me, it stands to reason that an equivalent opinion exists regards to LGBT; it's a big reason why a lot get triggered by Pride events. I don't hold that assumption, either.

But I may just be psychoanalyzing too much.

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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:17 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:And where did I say that?

It is in essence the same thing as saying people that go to pride parades only have their sexuality for a personality. Understand why that's ridiculous now?

Okay, I see where you're coming from.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:34 pm

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Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Do you think Pride parades are corny?


i think they are victory rallies endorsed by the power structure
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:52 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:Do you think Pride parades are corny?


i think they are victory rallies endorsed by the power structure

You mean like Mother's Day or how diamond rings are normalized in engagements and marriages?

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Postby Hukhalia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:04 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:Do you think Pride parades are corny?


i think they are victory rallies endorsed by the power structure

The heterosexuals have managed to puppeteer LGBTQ militancy and transform it into something harmless. Pride parades should be marching on banks and legislatures, currently they are directionless like the shattered remains of the once strong movement behind them. It's not "victory parades" by queer people, it's an act of consistent and appalling puppetry on behalf of the deeply hetero establishment.
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Postby Page » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:42 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:Do you think Pride parades are corny?


i think they are victory rallies endorsed by the power structure


Oh yeah, we're super victorious. Not like there have been laws passed this year that have banned LGBTQ from being mentioned in public schools and mandated the outing of trans kids to bigoted parents who might literally fucking kill them.
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Postby Fidimouni » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:46 am

Page wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
i think they are victory rallies endorsed by the power structure


Oh yeah, we're super victorious. Not like there have been laws passed this year that have banned LGBTQ from being mentioned in public schools and mandated the outing of trans kids to bigoted parents who might literally fucking kill them.

You don't understand though, my friend! It's a victory rally, really!

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Postby Islamic Essarn » Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:39 am

Fidimouni wrote:
Page wrote:
Oh yeah, we're super victorious. Not like there have been laws passed this year that have banned LGBTQ from being mentioned in public schools and mandated the outing of trans kids to bigoted parents who might literally fucking kill them.

You don't understand though, my friend! It's a victory rally, really!

..What's a "Obergefell v. Hodges" and why is it being reconsidered again? /s


To answer you first question : It was the Supreme Court case that legalized gay marriage.
To answer your second question(has two parts) :
1 : the republicans look like their questioning it.
2 : the logic used two overturn roe v wade could be applied to gay marriage (i.e, its based on the right to privacy which is being questioned)

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