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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:29 am

It's that fabulous time of year and I think a discussion about the current sexual revolution is due. 1st off, I don't celebrate Pride, but I wish a happy one to all that do. So, I'd like to go over different aspects of the LGBT situation, both positive and not so positive and get a variety of opinions, as well as open the floor for personal input. I'll start with some things I'm encouraged with:

-Same sex marriage is making progress. No one has a right to monopolize love and it's incredible such a basic human dignity is finally coming into being, if even as unavailable as it still is for so many.

-Non-hets have more visibility now more than ever and things are slowly but surely changing. In the West and Far East, most have the seeming luxury of not having to hide in the closet and live life as a lie out of fear.

-Non-heterosexual culture and identity is less and less being seen as an aberrant alternative to heterosexuality, but rather a thing that stands on its own, unique and with a future ahead of it. Non-heterosexuals have contributed much to this world and the more room we have to spread our wings and fly, the more we can do and create.

Now, for the other side of the coin:

-Sometimes I think the saturation of LGBT+ might be overboard, especially in relation to foreign and cultural politics. Just like with BLM, I've talked to a variety of foreigners, both straight and not that see such things as a kind of cultural battering ram that America and the wider West employ to obnoxious effect. While I absolutely support the progress of non-heterosexual acceptance, I think there should be alternatives to the heavy doses of rainbow flag carpet bombing.

-Speaking of which, I'm a bit turned off by the monopolization of non-heterosexuality by the LGBT+ movement. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, it should, I'm just a little disappointed that it's become the de facto lens through which non-heterosexuality is primarily all lumped into, filtered through and represented by.

-Finally and most seriously, non-heterosexual health is nothing to be proud of. STD's are on the rise and have always been a deadly issue. Obviously, non-heterosexuals are at risk for mental health issues that leads to riskier behavior, but I think we also need to start addressing the other elephant in the room: promiscuity. This isn't a moral argument, but a practical one. We need to seriously take a look in the mirror and understand that what we do affects all of us and the LGBT+ shit is simply not tackling this effectively. There is a problem with sexual irresponsibility and combined with the additional pressures of being non-heterosexual, we are facing a health crisis and I adamantly protest how lightly it's being treated. The LGBT movement is an utter failure in this regard and homophobes laugh and mock us for an unfortunate truth about the collective state of our sexual health. This needs to be tackled NOW and with aggression.
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With all of that said....I just want to say I'm proud to be a bisexual man. When I first accepted who I was, I wasn't proud of it. I didn't see a reason to be, but I've come to see that there is. I find something inherently meritorious about being open enough to appreciate both the beauty of a woman and the handsomeness of a man and I find comfort in not having my range of possible affection constrained to a single gender. I like feeling balanced by being in touch with both my masculine and feminine aspects; I think it makes me a more well rounded person. I'm comfortable with my masculinity and I don't have to larp or overcompensate. And of course, if I wasn't bi, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am. I didn't always have the courage to embrace who I was and it caused me years of pain, but ever since I accepted myself, I got my shit together and life is only getting better and better. I'm proud of who I am and proud of where I'm going.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:30 am

Bumping for discussion, maybe.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:31 am

Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:46 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Do you think Pride parades are corny?

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Postby Fyddin » Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:56 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

You're probably fun at parties, wrath is a sin to and I see a lot of it thrown at my buddies in the Alphabet Mafia.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:00 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:17 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.


So is Greed, but you embrace that.

And you combine the two - put some rainbow logos on a product and sell it for 10% more today!
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:53 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.


The Christian concept of the sin of pride is distinct from it's usage in the case of gay pride.
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 am

Also just a reminder that the gay/trans panic defense is still permitted in 38 out of 50 states.
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Postby Hukhalia » Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:08 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

i must compliment your baiting skills, you'd think NSG would've wised up to this shit by now but hey, the internet always demands someone have the last word
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Postby Galway-Dublin » Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:50 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:26 pm

I didn't know non-straight people were real until I was about to begin high school while my younger relatives already knew about them when beginning middle school, so there's certainly more visibility present now than back then towards younger ages for my community.
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:36 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

i must compliment your baiting skills, you'd think NSG would've wised up to this shit by now but hey, the internet always demands someone have the last word

No we don't.
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Postby Hukhalia » Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:37 pm

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Hukhalia wrote:i must compliment your baiting skills, you'd think NSG would've wised up to this shit by now but hey, the internet always demands someone have the last word

No we don't.

Yes you do.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:56 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.


You bring up a good point. We should find ways to incorporate the other six deadly sins into the fabric of Pride month
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Postby Space Squid » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:00 pm

Kannap wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.


You bring up a good point. We should find ways to incorporate the other six deadly sins into the fabric of Pride month

Each sin should get it's own month.

Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.

It's not equitable at all.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:04 pm

Kannap wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.


You bring up a good point. We should find ways to incorporate the other six deadly sins into the fabric of Pride month

wouldn't sloth stop that from being implemented
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:13 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote: 1st off, I don't celebrate Pride, but I wish a happy one to all that do.

You just wrote an entire paragraph about how you’re proud to be bi and invited a bunch of strangers to have political arguments about LGBT rights, which has to be among the most ancient and well-known celebration rituals for Pride, so…
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:42 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote: 1st off, I don't celebrate Pride, but I wish a happy one to all that do.

You just wrote an entire paragraph about how you’re proud to be bi and invited a bunch of strangers to have political arguments about LGBT rights, which has to be among the most ancient and well-known celebration rituals for Pride, so…

I am proud of who I am and I am proud of non-hets. This is my meager tribute. Maybe I am celebrating, in my own way.

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:44 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Funniest post i've seen on NS.

I'm pretty sure some people use this point unironically
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Postby Eahland » Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:31 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:-In addition to the culture wars, I think non-heterosexuality is sometimes ham fistedly inserted in awkward ways. For example, Superman getting turned bisexual -- I'm a Superman fan and happily bisexual, but it just doesn't fit his character. I think someone with luscious hair and dripping in sex appeal like Nightwing should be canon bisexual, but not Superman. It makes perfect sense for Wonder Woman, too, but in Clark's case, it's just unfitting. There's nothing wrong with the Kryptonian being a straight ally.

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Postby Ephebos » Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:54 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Now, for the other side of the coin:

-Sometimes I think the saturation of LGBT+ might be overboard, especially in relation to foreign and cultural politics. Just like with BLM, I've talked to a variety of foreigners, both straight and not that see such things as a kind of cultural battering ram that America and the wider West employ to obnoxious effect. While I absolutely support the progress of non-heterosexual acceptance, I think there should be alternatives to the heavy doses of rainbow flag carpet bombing.


This paragraph has borderline "Let´s See If We Can Suppress LGBT As A Matter Of Racial Pride" vibes to me.
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-Speaking of which, I'm a bit turned off by the monopolization of non-heterosexuality by the LGBT+ movement. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, it should, I'm just a little disappointed that it's become the de facto lens through which non-heterosexuality is primarily all lumped into, filtered through and represented by.


I´m rather disappointed that the LGBT movement is more and more an establishment, which tries to conform all those it purports to speak for in ways of self-expression that aren´t too "extreme" for those poor sensitive str8 folks. Within the movement, anything "extreme" - like kinks and non-gyneconormative self-expression - is being marginalised. Same with religious LGBT, by the way. Furries and Faith have more in common than either of them would like to admit, if I may put it that way.

-Finally and most seriously, non-heterosexual health is nothing to be proud of. STD's are on the rise and have always been a deadly issue. Obviously, non-heterosexuals are at risk for mental health issues that leads to riskier behavior, but I think we also need to start addressing the other elephant in the room: promiscuity.


So... the systemic discrimination of LGBT is allowed to sow its effects on individuals, representation in the media must be kept to a minimum, and pride should be made to go low-key. But when all that affects mental health, it is somehow INDIVIDUAL reponsability to overcome that? And when/if that leads to non-heteronormative choices, it somehow is inferred that that justifies less representation in the media or less pride expression?

Dear Sir, methinks thou hast internalised a few too many talking points that may or may not have been levelled at thee personally.

Promiscuity is not a problem, as long as all parties involved take care of their sexual health (condoms, PreP, disclosing status, etc). Visibility, representation are needed to avoid traumatising years in the closet (three years of closet can suffice to induce PTSD). Community is needed to heal those who are still affected, and help them accept themselves. And if you don´t like the lens created by all that, please add your own lens, don´t take away theirs.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:59 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote: 1st off, I don't celebrate Pride, but I wish a happy one to all that do.

You just wrote an entire paragraph about how you’re proud to be bi and invited a bunch of strangers to have political arguments about LGBT rights, which has to be among the most ancient and well-known celebration rituals for Pride, so…

Besides plenty of people don’t celebrate pride for multiple reasons. You aren’t unique for saying you don’t celebrate it
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:14 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You just wrote an entire paragraph about how you’re proud to be bi and invited a bunch of strangers to have political arguments about LGBT rights, which has to be among the most ancient and well-known celebration rituals for Pride, so…

I am proud of who I am and I am proud of non-hets. This is my meager tribute. Maybe I am celebrating, in my own way.

Very good introduction on both sides of the coin.

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:16 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:I am proud of who I am and I am proud of non-hets. This is my meager tribute. Maybe I am celebrating, in my own way.

Very good introduction on both sides of the coin.

While it's important to defend LGBTQ rights don't turn into the mob you swore to destroy by protecting them.

What?
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