Who solves their problems with proclaiming a democratic nation?Washington Resistance Army wrote:The single most glaring flaw I can see with anarchism is a fundamental inability to properly defend itself without betraying anarchist values.
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by Darnavy » Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:51 pm
Who solves their problems with proclaiming a democratic nation?Washington Resistance Army wrote:The single most glaring flaw I can see with anarchism is a fundamental inability to properly defend itself without betraying anarchist values.
by Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:57 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Concejos Unidos wrote:As Hukhalia said, many people don't see anarchism as practicable, but as a theoretical ideal, few see it as bad. Who wouldn't want the elimination of poverty and crime and the free provision of resources without the obligation to work?
Well, if you ever find a Genie you can go ahead and wish for that.
by Northern Seleucia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:59 pm
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by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:00 pm
by Northern Seleucia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:02 pm
Concejos Unidos wrote:Northern Seleucia wrote:How far did they get in their movement?
Here in the States, Labor Day isn't on 5/1, but the whole reason Labor Day exists around the world is to honor the deaths at the Haymarket Massacre. Also, the 8-hour workday was primarily driven by them and other less radical trade unions. It was on the backdrop of trade union agitation met with brutal government violence that the US got its first labor and antitrust laws in the late 19th century. This was a big movement; Eugene Debs, a founder of the IWW, peaked at 6% of the popular presidential vote in 1912. The major anarchist union of the time, the IWW, was also one of the first to step away from racial discrimination. Most importantly, even though the radicals never took power, they pushed protection for workers and antitrust action into the mainstream discourse which led to federal laws significantly advancing labor rights. Unfortunately, with American entry into WWI, the government used pro-war patriotism and wartime legislation to effectively suppress the anti-war anarcho-syndicalist movement.
The United States of America
"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
American Imperialist - Evangelical Christian
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by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:04 pm
Northern Seleucia wrote:Ah, shit, I had no idea that whole movement was anarcho-syndaliclism, it makes sense now.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Jewish Underground State » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:12 pm
by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:15 pm
by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:17 pm
Jewish Underground State wrote:Finally fixed the new poll
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Northern Seleucia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:20 pm
The United States of America
"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
American Imperialist - Evangelical Christian
Слава Україні! - Stand with Israel
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by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:24 pm
Northern Seleucia wrote:Including Anarcho-Capitalism? I've always heard that was the big issue.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Northern Seleucia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pm
Concejos Unidos wrote:Northern Seleucia wrote:Including Anarcho-Capitalism? I've always heard that was the big issue.
Anarcho-capitalism I don't consider to be anarchism. I can talk about how it is incompatible with anarchist philosophy, but that's opinion. The indisputable facts are that it is descended from a completely separate intellectual tradition, unlike the various left-anarchist traditions which share a lot of their intellectual figures and significant overlaps in philosophy.
The United States of America
"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
American Imperialist - Evangelical Christian
Слава Україні! - Stand with Israel
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by Nevertopia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:32 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The single most glaring flaw I can see with anarchism is a fundamental inability to properly defend itself without betraying anarchist values.
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:37 pm
Northern Seleucia wrote:Concejos Unidos wrote:Anarcho-capitalism I don't consider to be anarchism. I can talk about how it is incompatible with anarchist philosophy, but that's opinion. The indisputable facts are that it is descended from a completely separate intellectual tradition, unlike the various left-anarchist traditions which share a lot of their intellectual figures and significant overlaps in philosophy.
Ah, okay.
So, based on your opinion, why is it incompatible?
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:37 pm
by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:41 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The problems in my view are:
1. No state
2. No law and order
3. No military
I don’t like that.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Jewish Underground State » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:45 pm
Concejos Unidos wrote:Northern Seleucia wrote:Including Anarcho-Capitalism? I've always heard that was the big issue.
Anarcho-capitalism I don't consider to be anarchism. I can talk about how it is incompatible with anarchist philosophy, but that's opinion. The indisputable facts are that it is descended from a completely separate intellectual tradition, unlike the various left-anarchist traditions which share a lot of their intellectual figures and significant overlaps in philosophy.
by Concejos Unidos » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:46 pm
Jewish Underground State wrote:Concejos Unidos wrote:Anarcho-capitalism I don't consider to be anarchism. I can talk about how it is incompatible with anarchist philosophy, but that's opinion. The indisputable facts are that it is descended from a completely separate intellectual tradition, unlike the various left-anarchist traditions which share a lot of their intellectual figures and significant overlaps in philosophy.
Does anyone besides ancaps?
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Why are you afraid of the idea of the great roman republic ? Are you homophobic?
by Northern Seleucia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:47 pm
The United States of America
"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
American Imperialist - Evangelical Christian
Слава Україні! - Stand with Israel
Overview | Encyclopedia Americana | The World | About Me| My Inspiration in Two VideosNational News: Enraged Enfield Cow Injures Farmer with Ax | Defendant Who Plead Innocent Has Rage Episode During Trial; Kills Prosecutor Accusing Him of Aggravated Homicide | Hurricane Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Found Dead | Hidden Burglar Discovered after Husband Tells Jokes; Hears Laughter Upstairs
by Kubra » Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:16 pm
yes, but in its heyday "anarcho-syndicalism" would have been regarded as a strange term, since it was the only thing calling itself anarchism that a person was liable to encounter outside of, say, strange and secretive political cells involving Russians.Northern Seleucia wrote:Kubra wrote: In its heyday, anarchism was generally the radical wing of the trade union movement, largely pushing for those who worked in a place of business to own where they worked and also to themselves make the decisions on the running of the business, which is why the only extant international anarchist org left purports to be a labour union and concerns itself largely with, you guessed it, unionising.
Hence the whole idea of anarcho-syndicalism?
by New Zoigai » Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:19 pm
by Kubra » Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:39 pm
up until 1917 anarchism was the main strain of radical leftism. After was a bit of a moment, but even in 1936 the Spanish CNT could still mobilise tens of thousands of folks to fight on the frontlines of the civil war purely on their presence within the organised labour scene, far more than every other group prior to the reorganisation of the army.
by Comemierdas » Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:09 am
by Hispida » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:09 am
Comemierdas wrote:I think I belong to the faction believing that anarchy goes against human nature. Whatever group people might form, some kind of hierarchy will shape up sooner or later. If you institutionalize it, you made your first step away from anarchy. If you don't, you still have hierarchies, but more susceptible to arbitrariness. By the way, the bigger a group gets, the more people will actually prefer to be ruled rather than rule themselves. That's not to say they shouldn't have a say, but many can totally live with giving some general consent to the decisions of others every once in a while. So I voted for "anarchy is cringe".
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