US Department of the Navy vs France

[Dogmeat]

Your idea is for America to attack an allied nation and murder probably millions of innocent people for no reason whatsoever and you're talking about fighting with honour?

IM's understanding of "honour" is basically the same as Zuko's from season one.

[Kannap]

France would be absolutely, positively, 100% curb-stomped by the United States- at least if I ran the show. Remember, the element of surprise is 100% in favor of the Americans here. Hypothetically, if I were to be in command of the operation, this is how I’d do things.

Phase 1: Americans prepare the battlefield and get in position by conducting a joint mass exercise, hosted by France. Significant portions of French forces are committed to the war games, and the Americans know where they are.

Phase 2: This is where things get interesting. A combined force of operators from DEVGRU, various SEAL teams, and Marine Raiders kidnap or kill most significant French officials, including the president, ministers, generals, etc. But there’s a catch. Those operators happen to be wearing Russian uniforms, using Russian weapons, and firing Russian ammunition.

Phase 3: Immediately following the assassination/abduction campaign, all American aircraft on French airfields launch and begin heading for numerous aircraft carriers off the French coast. As they head that way, they strike any military targets convenient to their route of flight. As soon as all American aircraft are airborne, Tomahawk missiles and naval artillery rain down on French airfields, army bases, and seaports. The forces that are participating in the war games are immediately engaged by the Americans, who are to initially play it off as a system malfunction, that their weapons and vehicles were mistakenly loaded with live rounds.

Phase 4: With the war now well underway, US Marines conduct amphibious landings and parachute deployments into significant regions of France, and, with the support of American naval aviation, quickly sweep through the nation. Psyops campaigns are conducted, advising French forces to surrender and French civilians to take shelter in clearly marked civilian shelters- and to not harbor French troops.

Obviously a real war is more complex than this, but I’m typing this from my smartphone at the moment and I can’t flesh it out very much. Hopefully, though, this gives you a bit of an idea of how America could conduct a successful invasion of France.

Are you saying the American forces wouldn’t fight with honor?

There is nothing honorable about war. War, by definition, is dishonorable. And that's not even considering the idea that this would be an attack on a long-time ally out of the blue. Cowardly shit if you do happen to believe in this honor nonsense.

[Kannap]

Your idea is for America to attack an allied nation and murder probably millions of innocent people for no reason whatsoever and you're talking about fighting with honour?

IM's understanding of "honour" is basically the same as Zuko's from season one.

Not holding my breath for a redemption arc.

[Ifreann]

Your idea is for America to attack an allied nation and murder probably millions of innocent people for no reason whatsoever and you're talking about fighting with honour?

IM's understanding of "honour" is basically the same as Zuko's from season one.

[Atlantic Isles]

France would be absolutely, positively, 100% curb-stomped by the United States- at least if I ran the show. Remember, the element of surprise is 100% in favor of the Americans here. Hypothetically, if I were to be in command of the operation, this is how I’d do things.

Phase 1: Americans prepare the battlefield and get in position by conducting a joint mass exercise, hosted by France. Significant portions of French forces are committed to the war games, and the Americans know where they are.

Phase 2: This is where things get interesting. A combined force of operators from DEVGRU, various SEAL teams, and Marine Raiders kidnap or kill most significant French officials, including the president, ministers, generals, etc. But there’s a catch. Those operators happen to be wearing Russian uniforms, using Russian weapons, and firing Russian ammunition.

Phase 3: Immediately following the assassination/abduction campaign, all American aircraft on French airfields launch and begin heading for numerous aircraft carriers off the French coast. As they head that way, they strike any military targets convenient to their route of flight. As soon as all American aircraft are airborne, Tomahawk missiles and naval artillery rain down on French airfields, army bases, and seaports. The forces that are participating in the war games are immediately engaged by the Americans, who are to initially play it off as a system malfunction, that their weapons and vehicles were mistakenly loaded with live rounds.

Phase 4: With the war now well underway, US Marines conduct amphibious landings and parachute deployments into significant regions of France, and, with the support of American naval aviation, quickly sweep through the nation. Psyops campaigns are conducted, advising French forces to surrender and French civilians to take shelter in clearly marked civilian shelters- and to not harbor French troops.

Obviously a real war is more complex than this, but I’m typing this from my smartphone at the moment and I can’t flesh it out very much. Hopefully, though, this gives you a bit of an idea of how America could conduct a successful invasion of France.

Are you saying the American forces wouldn’t fight with honor?

I said that the American forces wouldn't fight with honor... let's see... precisely zero times. You are the one who put forth the idea of attacking a long-time ally (which is the real dishonor here), and asked who would win. I simply responded with my belief that the US Department of the Navy would win, and I backed it up with evidence in the form of a potential strategy. I will admit that deceiving the enemy into believing that the reason for military presence was a mutually agreed-upon wargames may not be the most honorable of strategies. However, you are the one who created the scenario, and I simply did what any professional military commander would do: further the interests of their nation and government and assure victory. Further, I believe that my plan did indicate some element of honor, as provisions were made for civilians to take shelter, and only legitimate military targets were attacked.

[Heloin]

Are you saying the American forces wouldn’t fight with honor?

After years of being told on this website by the same people that honour in war is for the dead and the losers why did you even bother asking?

[Ethel mermania]

Your idea is for America to attack an allied nation and murder probably millions of innocent people for no reason whatsoever and you're talking about fighting with honour?

IM's understanding of "honour" is basically the same as Zuko's from season one.

Zuko at least had Iroh to guide him

[Heloin]

IM's understanding of "honour" is basically the same as Zuko's from season one.

Zuko at least had Iroh to guide him

IM sadly only has us. The finest group of snarky assholes and know it all’s the world has ever seen.

[Ethel mermania]

Zuko at least had Iroh to guide him

IM sadly only has us. The finest group of snarky assholes and know it all’s the world has ever seen.

Finest?

[Heloin]

IM sadly only has us. The finest group of snarky assholes and know it all’s the world has ever seen.

Finest?

It’s not false advertising if you can’t prove me otherwise.

[Thermodolia]

France would be absolutely, positively, 100% curb-stomped by the United States- at least if I ran the show. Remember, the element of surprise is 100% in favor of the Americans here. Hypothetically, if I were to be in command of the operation, this is how I’d do things.

Phase 1: Americans prepare the battlefield and get in position by conducting a joint mass exercise, hosted by France. Significant portions of French forces are committed to the war games, and the Americans know where they are.

Phase 2: This is where things get interesting. A combined force of operators from DEVGRU, various SEAL teams, and Marine Raiders kidnap or kill most significant French officials, including the president, ministers, generals, etc. But there’s a catch. Those operators happen to be wearing Russian uniforms, using Russian weapons, and firing Russian ammunition.

Phase 3: Immediately following the assassination/abduction campaign, all American aircraft on French airfields launch and begin heading for numerous aircraft carriers off the French coast. As they head that way, they strike any military targets convenient to their route of flight. As soon as all American aircraft are airborne, Tomahawk missiles and naval artillery rain down on French airfields, army bases, and seaports. The forces that are participating in the war games are immediately engaged by the Americans, who are to initially play it off as a system malfunction, that their weapons and vehicles were mistakenly loaded with live rounds.

Phase 4: With the war now well underway, US Marines conduct amphibious landings and parachute deployments into significant regions of France, and, with the support of American naval aviation, quickly sweep through the nation. Psyops campaigns are conducted, advising French forces to surrender and French civilians to take shelter in clearly marked civilian shelters- and to not harbor French troops.

Obviously a real war is more complex than this, but I’m typing this from my smartphone at the moment and I can’t flesh it out very much. Hopefully, though, this gives you a bit of an idea of how America could conduct a successful invasion of France.

Are you saying the American forces wouldn’t fight with honor?

Lol no. Honor has never been a thing on the battlefield except in Hollywood and books

[Countesia]

If the United States attacked France out of nowhere and with zero provocation, NATO, especially Britain, would either try to mediate a peace treaty or declare war on the United States in favour of France. I'm sorry if this breaks the rules of the hypothetical, but there is zero chance they would not intervene because they are bound by the terms of the treaty to provide military aid in situations EXACTLY like this.

US would have to contend with the armies of twenty seven European nations with four thousand miles of ocean between them. France, Germany, Britain and Italy combined have a standing army of approximately 785,000 soldiers. U.S would have to commit an overwhelmingly large number to counter a force of that size and level of training.

If we strictly stayed within the laws of the post, then yeah, France would be toast.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

France would be absolutely, positively, 100% curb-stomped by the United States- at least if I ran the show. Remember, the element of surprise is 100% in favor of the Americans here. Hypothetically, if I were to be in command of the operation, this is how I’d do things.

Phase 1: Americans prepare the battlefield and get in position by conducting a joint mass exercise, hosted by France. Significant portions of French forces are committed to the war games, and the Americans know where they are.

Phase 2: This is where things get interesting. A combined force of operators from DEVGRU, various SEAL teams, and Marine Raiders kidnap or kill most significant French officials, including the president, ministers, generals, etc. But there’s a catch. Those operators happen to be wearing Russian uniforms, using Russian weapons, and firing Russian ammunition.

Phase 3: Immediately following the assassination/abduction campaign, all American aircraft on French airfields launch and begin heading for numerous aircraft carriers off the French coast. As they head that way, they strike any military targets convenient to their route of flight. As soon as all American aircraft are airborne, Tomahawk missiles and naval artillery rain down on French airfields, army bases, and seaports. The forces that are participating in the war games are immediately engaged by the Americans, who are to initially play it off as a system malfunction, that their weapons and vehicles were mistakenly loaded with live rounds.

Phase 4: With the war now well underway, US Marines conduct amphibious landings and parachute deployments into significant regions of France, and, with the support of American naval aviation, quickly sweep through the nation. Psyops campaigns are conducted, advising French forces to surrender and French civilians to take shelter in clearly marked civilian shelters- and to not harbor French troops.

Obviously a real war is more complex than this, but I’m typing this from my smartphone at the moment and I can’t flesh it out very much. Hopefully, though, this gives you a bit of an idea of how America could conduct a successful invasion of France.

Are you saying the American forces wouldn’t fight with honor?

there are two ways to fight a war. you can fight “honorably” and “fairly”, or you can win. the two are almost always distinct. actually, you could make the case that war is never honorable.

[Infected Mushroom]

If the United States attacked France out of nowhere and with zero provocation, NATO, especially Britain, would either try to mediate a peace treaty or declare war on the United States in favour of France. I'm sorry if this breaks the rules of the hypothetical, but there is zero chance they would not intervene because they are bound by the terms of the treaty to provide military aid in situations EXACTLY like this.

US would have to contend with the armies of twenty seven European nations with four thousand miles of ocean between them. France, Germany, Britain and Italy combined have a standing army of approximately 785,000 soldiers. U.S would have to commit an overwhelmingly large number to counter a force of that size and level of training.

If we strictly stayed within the laws of the post, then yeah, France would be toast.

I was thinking in terms of a limited 1 vs 1.

Where the USA would invade but follow certain informal rules.

[Archinstinct]

Your idea is for America to attack an allied nation and murder probably millions of innocent people for no reason whatsoever and you're talking about fighting with honour?

IM's understanding of "honour" is basically the same as Zuko's from season one.

"And everything changed... when infected mushrooms attacked!"

[Ifreann]

If the United States attacked France out of nowhere and with zero provocation, NATO, especially Britain, would either try to mediate a peace treaty or declare war on the United States in favour of France. I'm sorry if this breaks the rules of the hypothetical, but there is zero chance they would not intervene because they are bound by the terms of the treaty to provide military aid in situations EXACTLY like this.

US would have to contend with the armies of twenty seven European nations with four thousand miles of ocean between them. France, Germany, Britain and Italy combined have a standing army of approximately 785,000 soldiers. U.S would have to commit an overwhelmingly large number to counter a force of that size and level of training.

If we strictly stayed within the laws of the post, then yeah, France would be toast.

I was thinking in terms of a limited 1 vs 1.

Where the USA would invade but follow certain informal rules.

War isn't a game, how do you not understand that?

[Infected Mushroom]

The intended setup was that there would be a declaration of war and some prep time (to give France a fair chance). Let me edit to clarify. Thanks.

[Kannap]

If the United States attacked France out of nowhere and with zero provocation, NATO, especially Britain, would either try to mediate a peace treaty or declare war on the United States in favour of France. I'm sorry if this breaks the rules of the hypothetical, but there is zero chance they would not intervene because they are bound by the terms of the treaty to provide military aid in situations EXACTLY like this.

US would have to contend with the armies of twenty seven European nations with four thousand miles of ocean between them. France, Germany, Britain and Italy combined have a standing army of approximately 785,000 soldiers. U.S would have to commit an overwhelmingly large number to counter a force of that size and level of training.

If we strictly stayed within the laws of the post, then yeah, France would be toast.

I was thinking in terms of a limited 1 vs 1.

Where the USA would invade but follow certain informal rules.

Which side gets more hitpoint dmg from their firearms, the French or the Americans?

[Infected Mushroom]

I was thinking in terms of a limited 1 vs 1.

Where the USA would invade but follow certain informal rules.

Which side gets more hitpoint dmg from their firearms, the French or the Americans?

How would French FAMAS guns perform vs USMC M27 guns in large numbers?

[Thermodolia]

The intended setup was that there would be a declaration of war and some prep time (to give France a fair chance). Let me edit to clarify. Thanks.

No editing the OP.

Bad IM, bad.

And war isn’t a game and it’s not fair. The US wouldn’t give France any time to prepare if it was going to attack France. They’d do a surprise attack so that the French are caught off guard.

[Thermodolia]

Which side gets more hitpoint dmg from their firearms, the French or the Americans?

How would French FAMAS guns perform vs USMC M27 guns in large numbers?

The M4 is the standard gun, not the M27.

Besides the guns really won’t matter much it’s how they are used that will.

[Infected Mushroom]

How would French FAMAS guns perform vs USMC M27 guns in large numbers?

The M4 is the standard gun, not the M27.

Besides the guns really won’t matter much it’s how they are used that will.

And will France be able to organize a good defense?

[Kannap]

Which side gets more hitpoint dmg from their firearms, the French or the Americans?

How would French FAMAS guns perform vs USMC M27 guns in large numbers?

I didn't expect you to take my joking question seriously and I'm not sure how to respond to this turn of events.

Carry on.

[Thermodolia]

The M4 is the standard gun, not the M27.

Besides the guns really won’t matter much it’s how they are used that will.

And will France be able to organize a good defense?

No. The USN has the second largest Air Force in the world, USMC is number 4. Combined they’ll severely outnumber the French and utterly dominate the skies.

It wouldn’t be very much of a fight

[Ethel mermania]

How would French FAMAS guns perform vs USMC M27 guns in large numbers?

The M4 is the standard gun, not the M27.

Besides the guns really won’t matter much it’s how they are used that will.

Pointy end out?