US Department of the Navy vs France

[Neptunvia]

france doesn't possess land-based missile systems so france's territories are relatively pointless in that sense

True. But they could use their nukes on the invaders after they land

What- No- WHY?! Why in sam hell would they use there nuclear weapons on there OWN LAND. Do you Realize how many Casualty's that would be on the French then the American side?

[Hukhalia]

??? what does this even mean

Enemy land. They start taking land. Nuke hits them.

Anyway, let’s stop talking about nukes in this thread. So, I think that the US would get air and naval superiority, but eventually it would grind down into guérilla warfare. The US might be able to defeat France quickly enough, but the eventual cost of the invasion would be too much and they will be forced to retreat

How can the US land if they're only using their navy

[Washington Resistance Army]

Enemy land. They start taking land. Nuke hits them.

Anyway, let’s stop talking about nukes in this thread. So, I think that the US would get air and naval superiority, but eventually it would grind down into guérilla warfare. The US might be able to defeat France quickly enough, but the eventual cost of the invasion would be too much and they will be forced to retreat

How can the US land if they're only using their navy

The Marine Corps is part of the Department of the Navy and outnumbers the French Army. With the entire USN backing them up they could probably force a landing relatively easy.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

True. But they could use their nukes on the invaders after they land

What- No- WHY?! Why in sam hell would they use there nuclear weapons on there OWN LAND. Do you Realize how many Casualty's that would be on the French then the American side?

That would be after the Americans had made significant advances. They could warn all civilians to leave and order the Americans to retreat before nuking I guess

[Hukhalia]

How can the US land if they're only using their navy

The Marine Corps is part of the Department of the Navy and outnumbers the French Army. With the entire USN backing them up they could probably force a landing relatively easy.

oh yeah, still doesn't answer the whole "nuking the yankees after they land on french soil" part

[Northern Seleucia]

True. But they could use their nukes on the invaders after they land

??? what does this even mean

It's self-nuke I guess.

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Enemy land. They start taking land. Nuke hits them.

Anyway, let’s stop talking about nukes in this thread. So, I think that the US would get air and naval superiority, but eventually it would grind down into guérilla warfare. The US might be able to defeat France quickly enough, but the eventual cost of the invasion would be too much and they will be forced to retreat

How can the US land if they're only using their navy

U.S Marines are under the Department of the Navy, though technically it's own branch. A degree of autonomy higher the Marines in the Royal Navy, and significantly higher autonomy than the Russian Naval Infantry, for comparison.

Though the Marines aren't made to take cities and land, so they could perhaps take Corsica and some coastal cities and that's really it. I could see Corsica falling (and with the assistance of the independence movement there.)

[Northern Seleucia]

What- No- WHY?! Why in sam hell would they use there nuclear weapons on there OWN LAND. Do you Realize how many Casualty's that would be on the French then the American side?

That would be after the Americans had made significant advances. They could warn all civilians to leave and order the Americans to retreat before nuking I guess

I feel like a mass exodus of civilians would be some type of sign things are going down hill, especially, since, you know, the civilians are under U.S control and so they'll probably catch wind of the plan.

[Northern Seleucia]

True. But they could use their nukes on the invaders after they land

What- No- WHY?! Why in sam hell would they use there nuclear weapons on there OWN LAND. Do you Realize how many Casualty's that would be on the French then the American side?

I mean, we could use these guys again like we did successfully with the Nazis. Maybe France will self-nuke and we'll get zero casualties. Except for maybe the embassy and consulates.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

That would be after the Americans had made significant advances. They could warn all civilians to leave and order the Americans to retreat before nuking I guess

I feel like a mass exodus of civilians would be some type of sign things are going down hill, especially, since, you know, the civilians are under U.S control and so they'll probably catch wind of the plan.

Getting invaded in the first place is going downhill. And yeah, the French might actually try and nuke first.

[Northern Seleucia]

The AEGIS would have to be close to the missile, and considering France’s many territories, these missiles could come from anywhere

france doesn't possess land-based missile systems so france's territories are relatively pointless in that sense

Even if they did, the standard missile used in the Aegis BMD has an effective range of around 560 miles.

[Northern Seleucia]

I feel like a mass exodus of civilians would be some type of sign things are going down hill, especially, since, you know, the civilians are under U.S control and so they'll probably catch wind of the plan.

Getting invaded in the first place is going downhill. And yeah, the French might actually try and nuke first.

A nuclear attack on their own cities would be the FASTEST way to lose the war.

No country is going to support either the U.S or France at that point - the U.S for being the aggressor and France for nuking it's own people. The people in France are going to revolt. "What, Macron, it's either American bullets or your missiles, eh?"

[Neptunvia]

What- No- WHY?! Why in sam hell would they use there nuclear weapons on there OWN LAND. Do you Realize how many Casualty's that would be on the French then the American side?

I mean, we could use these guys again like we did successfully with the Nazis. Maybe France will self-nuke and we'll get zero casualties. Except for maybe the embassy and consulates.

Well, I feel like your forgetting about the NUCLEAR part of a Nuke. Will the blast kill the Paratroopers? yes, Absolutely, but the Fallout would be EMENCE. The problem with using Nuclear weapons isn't the Explosion's itself in the sinerro. Its the Massive Quantities of Radiation that will be everywhere! If frace used all of its nuclear weapons against its own land, it wouldnt be able to settal back there for LITTERLY THOUSENDS of years.

[Northern Seleucia]

I mean, we could use these guys again like we did successfully with the Nazis. Maybe France will self-nuke and we'll get zero casualties. Except for maybe the embassy and consulates.

Well, I feel like your forgetting about the NUCLEAR part of a Nuke. Will the blast kill the Paratroopers? yes, Absolutely, but the Fallout would be EMENCE. The problem with using Nuclear weapons isn't the Explosion's itself in the sinerro. Its the Massive Quantities of Radiation that will be everywhere! If frace used all of its nuclear weapons against its own land, it wouldnt be able to settal back there for LITTERLY THOUSENDS of years.

Oh, no, I know that part obviously, but I'm not the one nuking them. They nuked themselves. I'll just slide some CBRN protection, plant the U.S flag in Paris, Marseille, Nantes, Bordeaux, and some other city to make it five, and boom - we won the challenge.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Getting invaded in the first place is going downhill. And yeah, the French might actually try and nuke first.

A nuclear attack on their own cities would be the FASTEST way to lose the war.

No country is going to support either the U.S or France at that point - the U.S for being the aggressor and France for nuking it's own people. The people in France are going to revolt. "What, Macron, it's either American bullets or your missiles, eh?"

If they warn them, it might force the Americans to move as well, wasting time and resources. Also, wouldn’t the rest of the EU sanction America and support France?

[Northern Seleucia]

A nuclear attack on their own cities would be the FASTEST way to lose the war.

No country is going to support either the U.S or France at that point - the U.S for being the aggressor and France for nuking it's own people. The people in France are going to revolt. "What, Macron, it's either American bullets or your missiles, eh?"

If they warn them, it might force the Americans to move as well, wasting time and resources. Also, wouldn’t the rest of the EU sanction America and support France?

Orrrrrr it could get America to get it's defenses ready and perhaps nuke first? Also, the U.S has abundant resources, so a few resources in moving across a country the size of one of our states isn't a big deal. Perhaps timewise it's not fun.

And the E.U isn't exactly keen on supporting a country that is going to nuke it's people and send that fallout all over the rest of Europe.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

If they warn them, it might force the Americans to move as well, wasting time and resources. Also, wouldn’t the rest of the EU sanction America and support France?

Orrrrrr it could get America to get it's defenses ready and perhaps nuke first? Also, the U.S has abundant resources, so a few resources in moving across a country the size of one of our states isn't a big deal. Perhaps timewise it's not fun.

And the E.U isn't exactly keen on supporting a country that is going to nuke it's people and send that fallout all over the rest of Europe.

True. But nuking France gets everyone else angry. You get China threatening to sanction, maybe invading Taiwan whilst the Americans are busy in France..

If the EU warns the people and the EU first, then maybe? Also, if France is invaded, any of them could be next

[Northern Seleucia]

Orrrrrr it could get America to get it's defenses ready and perhaps nuke first? Also, the U.S has abundant resources, so a few resources in moving across a country the size of one of our states isn't a big deal. Perhaps timewise it's not fun.

And the E.U isn't exactly keen on supporting a country that is going to nuke it's people and send that fallout all over the rest of Europe.

True. But nuking France gets everyone else angry. You get China threatening to sanction, maybe invading Taiwan whilst the Americans are busy in France..

If the EU warns the people and the EU first, then maybe? Also, if France is invaded, any of them could be next

China invading Taiwan will be it'a own disaster - similar to the current Russian disaster in Ukraine. And if France is being invaded solely by the U.S Naval Department, I think a chunk of E.U countries are safe as they are landlocked.

And with all the warnings being sent out, all that time it takes to warn everyone and evacuate everyone, the U.S could have easily readied defenses and evacuated danger zones in France.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

True. But nuking France gets everyone else angry. You get China threatening to sanction, maybe invading Taiwan whilst the Americans are busy in France..

If the EU warns the people and the EU first, then maybe? Also, if France is invaded, any of them could be next

China invading Taiwan will be it'a own disaster - similar to the current Russian disaster in Ukraine. And if France is being invaded solely by the U.S Naval Department, I think a chunk of E.U countries are safe as they are landlocked.

And with all the warnings being sent out, all that time it takes to warn everyone and evacuate everyone, the U.S could have easily readied defenses and evacuated danger zones in France.

I can’t read that article. And if it’s only the navy, that still gets you a whole lot of rich countries you could beat up.

True. France might still use air to surface missiles though

[Neptunvia]

And the E.U isn't exactly keen on supporting a country that is going to nuke it's people and send that fallout all over the rest of Europe.
True. But nuking France gets everyone else angry. You get China threatening to sanction, maybe invading Taiwan whilst the Americans are busy in France..

If the EU warns the people and the EU first, then maybe? Also, if France is invaded, any of them could be next

Yeah, But this is a Fight between France and US navy, Nobody else is involved. (I don't think). And if everyone else was involved, the US wouldn't attack anyway, because, well, to put it bluntly, There's no good reason to invade France. They are, not only, in the same military Alliance as them, but also fought toghter in two world wars, and also France helped America Become a country. Like, what the hell would they want from France? They don't need there land, They don't want there resources, they Shure as hell don't want the people themselves. And also more importantly, they don't want to go to war with latterly everyone in the World.

[Northern Seleucia]

China invading Taiwan will be it'a own disaster - similar to the current Russian disaster in Ukraine. And if France is being invaded solely by the U.S Naval Department, I think a chunk of E.U countries are safe as they are landlocked.

And with all the warnings being sent out, all that time it takes to warn everyone and evacuate everyone, the U.S could have easily readied defenses and evacuated danger zones in France.

I can’t read that article. And if it’s only the navy, that still gets you a whole lot of rich countries you could beat up.

True. France might still use air to surface missiles though

The U.S Navy can easily batter half of European countries' "navies" by a long shot.

And, France will need an air force for that, one that can face off against the U.S Navy's F-35s and F/A-18 Super Hornets. And the U.S Navy has the second largest Air Force after the U.S Air Force.

[Northern Seleucia]

And the E.U isn't exactly keen on supporting a country that is going to nuke it's people and send that fallout all over the rest of Europe.
True. But nuking France gets everyone else angry. You get China threatening to sanction, maybe invading Taiwan whilst the Americans are busy in France..

If the EU warns the people and the EU first, then maybe? Also, if France is invaded, any of them could be next

Yeah, But this is a Fight between France and US navy, Nobody else is involved. (I don't think). And if everyone else was involved, the US wouldn't attack anyway, because, well, to put it bluntly, There's no good reason to invade France. They are, not only, in the same military Alliance as them, but also fought toghter in two world wars, and also France helped America Become a country. Like, what the hell would they want from France? They don't need there land, They don't want there resources, they Shure as hell don't want the people themselves. And also more importantly, they don't want to go to war with latterly everyone in the World.

If it was an arena showdown, for whatever reason, U.S vs France, I doubt the U.S would only use it's navy anyway.

There's enough American graves from liberating France - there need be no more graves from destroying France.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

And the E.U isn't exactly keen on supporting a country that is going to nuke it's people and send that fallout all over the rest of Europe.
True. But nuking France gets everyone else angry. You get China threatening to sanction, maybe invading Taiwan whilst the Americans are busy in France..

If the EU warns the people and the EU first, then maybe? Also, if France is invaded, any of them could be next

Yeah, But this is a Fight between France and US navy, Nobody else is involved. (I don't think). And if everyone else was involved, the US wouldn't attack anyway, because, well, to put it bluntly, There's no good reason to invade France. They are, not only, in the same military Alliance as them, but also fought toghter in two world wars, and also France helped America Become a country. Like, what the hell would they want from France? They don't need there land, They don't want there resources, they Shure as hell don't want the people themselves. And also more importantly, they don't want to go to war with latterly everyone in the World.

Equipment and sanctions are allowed

I can’t read that article. And if it’s only the navy, that still gets you a whole lot of rich countries you could beat up.

True. France might still use air to surface missiles though

The U.S Navy can easily batter half of European countries' "navies" by a long shot.

And, France will need an air force for that, one that can face off against the U.S Navy's F-35s and F/A-18 Super Hornets. And the U.S Navy has the second largest Air Force after the U.S Air Force.

That’s the whole point of supporting France. If the US loses there, they won’t bother to invade anyone else

The French Air Force has almost as many planes as the US navy.. plus all the support that the other Europeans could give.

[Northern Seleucia]

Yeah, But this is a Fight between France and US navy, Nobody else is involved. (I don't think). And if everyone else was involved, the US wouldn't attack anyway, because, well, to put it bluntly, There's no good reason to invade France. They are, not only, in the same military Alliance as them, but also fought toghter in two world wars, and also France helped America Become a country. Like, what the hell would they want from France? They don't need there land, They don't want there resources, they Shure as hell don't want the people themselves. And also more importantly, they don't want to go to war with latterly everyone in the World.

Equipment and sanctions are allowed

The U.S Navy can easily batter half of European countries' "navies" by a long shot.

And, France will need an air force for that, one that can face off against the U.S Navy's F-35s and F/A-18 Super Hornets. And the U.S Navy has the second largest Air Force after the U.S Air Force.

That’s the whole point of supporting France. If the US loses there, they won’t bother to invade anyone else

The French Air Force has almost as many planes as the US navy.. plus all the support that the other Europeans could give.

*almost* as many.

And that's where the difference is made. Almost is not good enough, and neither will France's older equipment help. And other European nations use American equipment a lot too, and there's export controls that prevent them from selling it without U.S permission.

In fact, France couldn't even sell their OWN planes to Egypt because it's full of American parts.. Those American parts that are so critical to the plane will not be arriving anymore. Any damaged plane is a done deal.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Equipment and sanctions are allowed
That’s the whole point of supporting France. If the US loses there, they won’t bother to invade anyone else

The French Air Force has almost as many planes as the US navy.. plus all the support that the other Europeans could give.

*almost* as many.

And that's where the difference is made. Almost is not good enough, and neither will France's older equipment help. And other European nations use American equipment a lot too, and there's export controls that prevent them from selling it without U.S permission.

In fact, France couldn't even sell their OWN planes to Egypt because it's full of American parts.. Those American parts that are so critical to the plane will not be arriving anymore. Any damaged plane is a done deal.

So the other EU countries, possibly future targets, could send American aircraft? And France would be able to at least cause significant damage to the Americans before being destroyed once and for all

[Ifreann]

Obviously the French fleet would meet the Americans in the Atlantic and the fleet commanders would have a chat and both agree to stand down, because this is obviously some kind of terrible misunderstanding and there is no conceivable reason for them to fight. Both fleets would turn around and go home and that'd be that.