US Department of the Navy vs France

[Kannap]

The M4 is the standard gun, not the M27.

Besides the guns really won’t matter much it’s how they are used that will.

And will France be able to organize a good defense?

You've put France at a significant disadvantage, give up any hope that they win this fight.

[Thermodolia]

And will France be able to organize a good defense?

You've put France at a significant disadvantage, give up any hope that they win this fight.

The USN/USMC combined air forces would wipe out all French air forces within 48 hours. Also during that time the USN would have sunk the entire French navy and surrounded all of France blockading them.

This however is where the French would start nuking the US, but apparently those aren’t allowed

Next would begin the bombardments of any and all infrastructure and military targets for the next 72 hours, with beach landings happening 48 hours into the bombings.

Now the French would last a good while but I’d say that they’d fall within three months.

[Kannap]

You've put France at a significant disadvantage, give up any hope that they win this fight.

The USN/USMC combined air forces would wipe out all French air forces within 48 hours. Also during that time the USN would have sunk the entire French navy and surrounded all of France blockading them.

This however is where the French would start nuking the US, but apparently those aren’t allowed

Next would begin the bombardments of any and all infrastructure and military targets for the next 72 hours, with beach landings happening 48 hours into the bombings.

Now the French would last a good while but I’d say that they’d fall within three months.

Of course, I don't think we'd be able to hold France, but that's beyond the scope of the hypothetical.

Just pointing at how much of a farce Afghanistan was combined with the cultural standard that the French will take to the streets and go ape shit at the drop of a dime. Good luck holding Paris when every street is in flames and the citizenry are énervé

[Infected Mushroom]

You've put France at a significant disadvantage, give up any hope that they win this fight.

The USN/USMC combined air forces would wipe out all French air forces within 48 hours. Also during that time the USN would have sunk the entire French navy and surrounded all of France blockading them.

This however is where the French would start nuking the US, but apparently those aren’t allowed

Next would begin the bombardments of any and all infrastructure and military targets for the next 72 hours, with beach landings happening 48 hours into the bombings.

Now the French would last a good while but I’d say that they’d fall within three months.

But if France coordinates with ground AA defenses on the continent, is there a chance they could keep air space contested? They do have a lot of high tech systems.

[Thermodolia]

The USN/USMC combined air forces would wipe out all French air forces within 48 hours. Also during that time the USN would have sunk the entire French navy and surrounded all of France blockading them.

This however is where the French would start nuking the US, but apparently those aren’t allowed

Next would begin the bombardments of any and all infrastructure and military targets for the next 72 hours, with beach landings happening 48 hours into the bombings.

Now the French would last a good while but I’d say that they’d fall within three months.

But if France coordinates with ground AA defenses on the continent, is there a chance they could keep air space contested? They do have a lot of high tech systems.

So does US, who most likely designed the original systems that the French copied.

The French wouldn’t even be able to contest shit as all air forces and AA would be gone within 48 hours. In addition to the Air Force the Navy/Marines have you also have sea to land missiles fired from ships. These can and will knock out all AA and anything else.

Theoretically the US navy could sit off a coast of a nation and destroy its entire Air Force and air defenses without flying a single fighter jet. All from just lobbing missiles

[Infected Mushroom]

But if France coordinates with ground AA defenses on the continent, is there a chance they could keep air space contested? They do have a lot of high tech systems.

So does US, who most likely designed the original systems that the French copied.

The French wouldn’t even be able to contest shit as all air forces and AA would be gone within 48 hours. In addition to the Air Force the Navy/Marines have you also have sea to land missiles fired from ships. These can and will knock out all AA and anything else.

Theoretically the US navy could sit off a coast of a nation and destroy its entire Air Force and air defenses without flying a single fighter jet. All from just lobbing missiles

I don’t think it’s that clear cut. The US military hasn’t gone up against a first rate military power since WWII. I think it’s reasonable to assume they would run into issues against long range SAMs working with French aircraft (if France plays it smart).

[New haven america]

The US.

[Thermodolia]

So does US, who most likely designed the original systems that the French copied.

The French wouldn’t even be able to contest shit as all air forces and AA would be gone within 48 hours. In addition to the Air Force the Navy/Marines have you also have sea to land missiles fired from ships. These can and will knock out all AA and anything else.

Theoretically the US navy could sit off a coast of a nation and destroy its entire Air Force and air defenses without flying a single fighter jet. All from just lobbing missiles

I don’t think it’s that clear cut. The US military hasn’t gone up against a first rate military power since WWII. I think it’s reasonable to assume they would run into issues against long range SAMs working with French aircraft (if France plays it smart).

What? This makes no goddamn sense.

The US navy knows the ship launches missiles work because we’ve used them constantly by hitting targets in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Also We fought against the Chinese in Korea, and the Iraqi military twice. The Iraqis where a top 10 military at the time btw. And we mopped the floor with them.

Our shit will work. We know because we test it, constantly. France won’t win this, granted they’d win eventually because the US will get tired and leave but that’s generally after 20 years.

[New haven america]

So does US, who most likely designed the original systems that the French copied.

The French wouldn’t even be able to contest shit as all air forces and AA would be gone within 48 hours. In addition to the Air Force the Navy/Marines have you also have sea to land missiles fired from ships. These can and will knock out all AA and anything else.

Theoretically the US navy could sit off a coast of a nation and destroy its entire Air Force and air defenses without flying a single fighter jet. All from just lobbing missiles

I don’t think it’s that clear cut. The US military hasn’t gone up against a first rate military power since WWII. I think it’s reasonable to assume they would run into issues against long range SAMs working with French aircraft (if France plays it smart).

The US has been bombing the shit out of dozens of nations for the past 20 years with these weapons.

They work.

[Infected Mushroom]

I don’t think it’s that clear cut. The US military hasn’t gone up against a first rate military power since WWII. I think it’s reasonable to assume they would run into issues against long range SAMs working with French aircraft (if France plays it smart).

The US has been bombing the shit out of dozens of nations for the past 20 years with these weapons.

They work.

But it hasn’t gone up against an opponent like France, UK, China, South Korea.

It’s battlefield resume on the last 50 years is restricted to fighting developing countries. France would have first rate weapons, organization and training. It’s not like what the US has been fighting.

[Thermodolia]

The US has been bombing the shit out of dozens of nations for the past 20 years with these weapons.

They work.

But it hasn’t gone up against an opponent like France, UK, China, South Korea.

It’s battlefield resume on the last 50 years is restricted to fighting developing countries. France would have first rate weapons, organization and training. It’s not like what the US has been fighting.

When we fought Iraq they where a top 10 military. We wiped the floor with them.

[The Order of Makai]

Honestly, this scenario doesn't make sense, you've essentially placed the USA and France into a vacuum and declared a handicap cage match. The problem is, is that even with one metaphorical arm tied behind their back due to only using the navy, the resources and manpower available to the USA still outstrip everything that France could hope to muster.

The real strength of any European power is in their broader community of NATO/EU/Western Civilization than their individual strength (which the USA is incidentally a part of).

You basically sicced a super heavyweight onto a lightweight and asked us to pretend that this would somehow be a fair fight.

[Infected Mushroom]

But it hasn’t gone up against an opponent like France, UK, China, South Korea.

It’s battlefield resume on the last 50 years is restricted to fighting developing countries. France would have first rate weapons, organization and training. It’s not like what the US has been fighting.

When we fought Iraq they where a top 10 military. We wiped the floor with them.

France isn’t Iraq though.

[Infected Mushroom]

Honestly, this scenario doesn't make sense, you've essentially placed the USA and France into a vacuum and declared a handicap cage match. The problem is, is that even one metaphorical arm tied behind their back due to only using the navy, the resources and manpower available to the USA still outstrip everything that France could hope to muster.

The real strength of any European power is in their broader community of NATO/EU/Western Civilization than their individual strength (which the USA is incidentally a part of).

You basically sicced an ultra-heavyweight onto a lightweight and asked us to pretend that this would somehow be a fair fight.

So you’re saying that the USA is too powerful even in this state?

[The Order of Makai]

Honestly, this scenario doesn't make sense, you've essentially placed the USA and France into a vacuum and declared a handicap cage match. The problem is, is that even one metaphorical arm tied behind their back due to only using the navy, the resources and manpower available to the USA still outstrip everything that France could hope to muster.

The real strength of any European power is in their broader community of NATO/EU/Western Civilization than their individual strength (which the USA is incidentally a part of).

You basically sicced an ultra-heavyweight onto a lightweight and asked us to pretend that this would somehow be a fair fight.

So you’re saying that the USA is too powerful even in this state?

... Do you lack reading comprehension?

[Thermodolia]

When we fought Iraq they where a top 10 military. We wiped the floor with them.

France isn’t Iraq though.

No but Iraq was a top ten military power. We occupied them in a month. France will fall. There’s no doubt. It’s just a matter of how long the US can occupy it. And to that I say probably about 10 years

[Thermodolia]

Honestly, this scenario doesn't make sense, you've essentially placed the USA and France into a vacuum and declared a handicap cage match. The problem is, is that even with one metaphorical arm tied behind their back due to only using the navy, the resources and manpower available to the USA still outstrip everything that France could hope to muster.

The real strength of any European power is in their broader community of NATO/EU/Western Civilization than their individual strength (which the USA is incidentally a part of).

You basically sicced a super heavyweight onto a lightweight and asked us to pretend that this would somehow be a fair fight.

No it’s worse than that.

The question isn’t just using the USN but the entire department of the navy which includes the aforementioned navy, the coast guard, and the United States Marines.

Basically we are talking about one half of the entire US military to conquer one nation and nothing else. The rest of the world will act like nothing is happening so the US can throw the entire US navy, USMC and Coast Guard at France.

11 carrier groups

[The Order of Makai]

Honestly, this scenario doesn't make sense, you've essentially placed the USA and France into a vacuum and declared a handicap cage match. The problem is, is that even with one metaphorical arm tied behind their back due to only using the navy, the resources and manpower available to the USA still outstrip everything that France could hope to muster.

The real strength of any European power is in their broader community of NATO/EU/Western Civilization than their individual strength (which the USA is incidentally a part of).

You basically sicced a super heavyweight onto a lightweight and asked us to pretend that this would somehow be a fair fight.

No it’s worse than that.

The question isn’t just using the USN but the entire department of the navy which includes the aforementioned navy, the coast guard, and the United States Marines.

Basically we are talking about one half of the entire US military to conquer one nation and nothing else. The rest of the world will act like nothing is happening so the US can throw the entire US navy, USMC and Coast Guard at France.

11 carrier groups

I agree, I'm not certain as to what the hell OP is thinking doing this DEATH BATTLE type of crap.

And 11 carrier groups? If China is going to be continuing the saber rattling with their own new carriers, then that number is only going to increase, although I do not know if President Brandon will remember to sign-off on more of them. Surely some people in the DOD must be raising the alarm about it, but the real question is if President Brandon will continue to be ineffectual until it is time for the next election.

[Infected Mushroom]

France isn’t Iraq though.

No but Iraq was a top ten military power. We occupied them in a month. France will fall. There’s no doubt. It’s just a matter of how long the US can occupy it. And to that I say probably about 10 years

You don’t think France can hold out for 2 years?

[Thermodolia]

No but Iraq was a top ten military power. We occupied them in a month. France will fall. There’s no doubt. It’s just a matter of how long the US can occupy it. And to that I say probably about 10 years

You don’t think France can hold out for 2 years?

Lol no

[Northern Seleucia]

How would French FAMAS guns perform vs USMC M27 guns in large numbers?

The M4 is the standard gun, not the M27.

Besides the guns really won’t matter much it’s how they are used that will.

No, no, I'll give Mushroom that one, the M27 is replacing the M4 in the U.S Marines Only for the Marines, though. It's basically a fancy, Americanized HK417.

[Northern Seleucia]

You don’t think France can hold out for 2 years?

Lol no

France has a horrendous reserve supply. They have no extra munitions, they'll run out very fast.

[Infected Mushroom]

Lol no

France has a horrendous reserve supply. They have no extra munitions, they'll run out very fast.

Not if the EU supplies them.

[Neo-Western East Korea]

This would just lead to EU supply vehicles (truck, sea, otherwise) being bombed/shot down without retaliation since they physically aren’t allowed to participate in the combat.

[Washington Resistance Army]

France has a horrendous reserve supply. They have no extra munitions, they'll run out very fast.

Not if the EU supplies them.

But then the scenario is no longer solely the US Department of the Navy vs France. It's the US Department of the Navy vs France with foreign backing.